Ohio Cities and Metros New Crime Rankings (Cleveland, Youngstown: for sale, violent crime)

[Buckeye 89]

Thats true. But out of major cities, the only city even slightly comparable to Detroit, is Cleveland.

the farther away you are from Cleveland/East Cleveland, the better.

that's it cle, tell them to stay away from cleveland

Also I have lived by Cleveland my whole life

and again...i mean usually people you lived in other places in there life don't say they lived in ONE place their whole life. that would be kinda stupid right?

you don't have to be a detective to see this, just go to any random page of your posts and you can see the ironic things he accuses other people of doing. it's hilarious

[BelieveInCleve]

Buckeye89,

Please tell me, how am I pretending? Im curious. I explained this to you several times already and you dont listen. Im not going to admit anything because what your saying is wrong. Let this be the last time I have to explain this to you. I was born in Cleveland, lived there until I was 6. From 6-22 I lived between Central Lorain and South Elyria. From 22-nearly 27 I was out barely ever in NE Ohio. I was in other areas nearly that whole time. Im almost 28 now and Ive been mostly around Cleveland since then. I promise on everything I just said. Noone can tell my story, and you for sure dont know anything about me. On top of living and seeing all those places first hand, Ive been studying urban areas extensively for the past 6 years. If I talk about something I know about it. You bring up things I said one time, and take them way out of context. You dont know me. Dont ever act like you do.

What did YOU ever bring to city-data? absolutely nothing. Nearly every post Ive seen of yours is nitpicking and attacking other people. No time is more obvious than in this thread. You keep bringing up the few possible negative things I did and never the positive. I tell the bad about Cleveland because its the truth and other people are scared to talk about it. I talk highly of Cleveland and recommend every chance I have get when its correct. I have said many good things and contributed a lot to city-data. You never did any of that. All you do is lie and attack people. But go ahead, ignore this again and try to change the subject back to me. Your a joke. Your trying to call me out just to let everybody else ignore the fact that you never contribute positively to anything. You know nothing.

Need I say more?

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by mrb69

Cle440 whens the next time your coming to Columbus? I would like to show you my city. The great areas and the bad areas so you can see it through my eyes. Mostly the parts that people barely even know about like the forgotten streets and neighborhoods.I was just reading one of your earlier post on a diffent thread and you compared Columbus to Akron! I'm pretty sure you know Akron pretty well since your from that side of the state but theres no way you know Columbus like I do then. So i'd like to show my city sometime since you don't know it too well.

I know you've drove almost everywhere in Columbus but you need to walk in every neighborhood to get the grip of what i'm talking about because you can't see everything while driving. Maybe you walked down 26 ave. and saw how it was that but I mean the bottems or the Short North and everywhere in Columbus. This is my city, so most of the time I get how or why you try to explain things about where I live when I haved always lived here.

The last time I was in Columbus was a little over a week ago, I believe it was the 28th. I was only there for the day though. My friend said the same thing that you did, and he showed me pretty much everything when I was staying there. Remember, even the areas I was staying in were considered "tha hood". Near 26th ave. off of Cleveland, and the Whittier & Lockbourne area. I was staying between those areas for 3 months a few years back, not counting the times I visited. We drove mostly, but also walked a lot of areas. Ive seen all the main streets, and a lot of side streets. Downtown, short north, Linden (south and north), bottoms/hilltop, Miller, near east, (former) uzi alley, etc. a lot of areas. I dont think theres much that I havent seen, but I could be wrong. My friend knows the area very well though, so I doubt I havent seen any of the bad areas. He was very interested in taking me to those areas first lol. Im from the hood so I dont mind though. Its always interesting seeing not only the tourist and rich areas of the city, but also the worst areas, so you can see the whole picture and not just one side.

[hillside]

this is all stupid. cle440 badly wants to believe cleveland is the only ghetto in ohio. it really doesn't matter which city has more crime, because both are in free-fall and not desirable places to relocate. still, the papers and the stats say hamilton's crime is much higher than lorain/elyria's. lorain has been pretty bad with murders for a couple years, but it's not as serious as you think. i produced sources to reinforce, you repeatedly say i don't have a clue and similar patronizing responses to hide the reality. it's very clear that you feel cleveland is bigger, more diverse, more entertaining, urban and dangerous than cincinnati, and double-time for columbus. please don't try to pound it into our heads; it's not necessary.

central point: cle440 made a thread that described the plight of his city, lorain. this is what transpired.

check out hamilton if you think lorain is bad. the jobs have long gone, the city has long consolidated to one giant high school, and the city is one of the trashiest i've ever seen.

Ive been to Hamilton before, know some things about it but not a lot, I know its not that nice. I dont mean to start a "which city is more ghetto" argument, but from what I have seen, Lorain is undoubtedly worse than Hamilton, and every other mid-sized city in Ohio (excluding Youngstown). If you have been up here you would know what Im talking about. Take a drive down E28th, then Elyria Ave., then Reid and its side streets and down W21st/MLK, that would show you all the proof you need, and its not contained to those areas, most of the city is like that now. Just the steel mill alone has cut 10,000 jobs from the city, along with other closings, this had led to Lorains 27% poverty rate.

Lorain deals with a problem that the other cities dont, there is a very large number of impoverished hispanics in the area. The huge puerto rican/hispanic community is part of what makes Lorain such a great place with culture, but it also brings all the hispanic gangs (LK, MS-13, MLD, etc.) that the other cities dont have. Also, Lorain is probably the most "ganged up" city in Ohio. Nearly ever kid I knew growing up was in a gang, thats been part of Lorains reputation for a long time. Lorain Middle and Admiral King were regarded as some of the worst and most violent middle/high schools in Ohio. All that stuff is not what I have a problem with though, because its been like that for a long time. My problem is the unbelievably poor choices that the city has made, they seem to not care anything about the people in the city along with the history of the area. Elyria is close to the same size, and not perfect by any means, but is miles ahead of Lorain at this point and makes much better choices.

who do you think kept this going?

[BelieveInCleve]

Hillside, I am very well aware that there are more ghettos in Ohio than ones around Cleveland.

I say what happened to my thread was your fault, because I honestly believe it was. I listened to every single thing you said in there, and took all of it into account. I considered your points many times and considered if I was wrong. The reason I say it was your fault is because you ignored 90% of what I was saying in my posts. I had many valid points and you ignored nearly all of them. I had more of a problem with you because of statements you made like "Lorain aint hard...". Being through what Ive been through in Lorain, I take personal offense to comments like that. Please have some respect. In all honesty, you seriously dont know about Lorain and its reputation. Youve driven through here one time. Like I said though, the biggest problem is that you ignored everything I said and never considered that you could be the one whos wrong, even though everyone else (minus 1) had my view points. All I ask of you is to listen to what I was saying and consider it for a minute.

[hillside]

Reputations often precede things. Lorain's reputation rings out about as much as Akron's, which is not much. You're right, I haven't been to Lorain for real, and the next time I'm in Cleveland, I'll be sure to make my way west, time permitting. I ask to see a few pics because if you showed me some areas that look really bad, I'd be more inclined to believe you because to me, how bad the place is overall is what matters in real-life. Consider your knowledge about hamilton: you said there were hardly any latinos in hamilton...i'm sorry but you're way off on that one. way off.

I know when you're headed to an ohio prison, you have the opportunity to claim or get claimed. There's Cleveland, columbus, cincinnati, dayton, and toledo who make up the majority. If you ride in with Butler county and say you're from hamilton (not middletown), cincinnati will probably claim you as a cincinnatian. From my understanding, if you ride in with lorain county, cleveland doesn't claim you. There's been some decent-sized guys that have come out of hamilton, reverberating the name a little more than lorain as far as i've known. I could be wrong, but if I am, please correct me with proof.

[BelieveInCleve]

Not trying to disrespect Hamilton at all, but honestly I didnt even know it had a reputation before seeing that thread on this site. Even when I was down in Cincinnati, it wasnt mentioned a whole lot. I will tell you that up here in NE Ohio, Hamilton is never mentioned at all. Im assuming that it must be the same situation down in SW Ohio with not mentioning Lorain a lot, but I cant say for sure because when I was down there I always had family and friends around talking about Cleveland and Lorain constantly. Seriously, most of the talk I hear about Lorain is people bashing it and saying how bad and ghetto it is, I hear it almost daily up here. As far as me saying I didnt see many hispanics, I wasnt trying to bash at all, thats just honestly what I observed.

On the subject of decay, Ive been to most areas of both cities as Ive said, and Lorain does look more decayed. You cant tell everything just by looks though. If you ever decide to look around Lorain, Ill tell you the areas that you need to go, and then you can be the judge. Im not hyping Lorain up, Lorain is exactly like I described it to be. If it was the opposite, really nice, and somebody was talking about how ghetto it is, Id be defending it just as I was before and now to get out the truth. I just didnt understand why you had to talk down and disrespect my city even though you didnt really know about it or even the reputation.

[jstn]

I'm sorry, but I find this whole Lorain vs Hamilton debate quite comical. What exactly is the point. My armpit or your armpit, which smells worse? Who cares?

I've never been to Lorain and God willing never will, but I grew up minutes from Hamilton and would consider it pretty much a sh$thole of a place, but I don't know if I'd even begin to act as though it has a reputation of being a thug paradise or something. Sure it's got it's fair share of black thug wanta-be's, a large collection of seeemingly imbreed white trash, and now a large population of illegal aliens, but it's not the wild west with blood pouring into the streets. Most of the crime seems typical of other poor, uneducated, declining cities. Crime rates are fairly high, but murders are practically non-existant.

If you look at the crime statistics between the two cities here on CD, it appears as though you have more of a chance to have a crime committed against you in Hamilton, but more of a chance to be murdered in Lorain. But again, none of the statistics seem breath-takenly alarming. I guess we'll call it a tie.

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Anyways, neither seems to be a New Orleans, Memphis or even a cincinnati or Cleveland.

[BelieveInCleve]

jstn,

I really hate to do this again and not to nit-pick, but Lorains crime stats are way off. Lorain has a very corrupt police force and they have yet to release accurate numbers. Put it this way, the same people who are going to prison for rapings and moving drugs are releasing the stats...I had to go through a lot of work from looking in newspapers to going on crime reports and looking at all the reported crimes to even come to a half way accurate number. If you check the Lorain thread, I have the stats I found in there. Anyways for the city-data index it came to about 780 estimated. There is errors, but it should definitely be in that general range. Hamiltons is currently about 620, it could also be off but it looks accurate to the best of my knowledge. Lorain also had 9 murders last year and Hamilton had 1. Both Hamiltons and Lorains crime rates are well above average though, over twice it at least to be exact.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by jstn

I'm sorry, but I find this whole Lorain vs Hamilton debate quite comical. What exactly is the point. My armpit or your armpit, which smells worse? Who cares?

I've never been to Lorain and God willing never will, but I grew up minutes from Hamilton and would consider it pretty much a sh$thole of a place, but I don't know if I'd even begin to act as though it has a reputation of being a thug paradise or something. Sure it's got it's fair share of black thug wanta-be's, a large collection of seeemingly imbreed white trash, and now a large population of illegal aliens, but it's not the wild west with blood pouring into the streets. Most of the crime seems typical of other poor, uneducated, declining cities. Crime rates are fairly high, but murders are practically non-existant.

If you look at the crime statistics between the two cities here on CD, it appears as though you have more of a chance to have a crime committed against you in Hamilton, but more of a chance to be murdered in Lorain. But again, none of the statistics seem breath-takenly alarming. I guess we'll call it a tie.

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Anyways, neither seems to be a New Orleans, Memphis or even a cincinnati or Cleveland.

I would say that your post is a pretty good assessment of this whole thing, but the link kind of sours what you were saying.

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out of the cities you mentioned, only new orleans exceeded hamilton. big city crime, small-town murders.