Worst looking Ohio city (Columbus, Cleveland: crime, schools, live)

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Don't get me wrong. One, I love Cleveland. Two, Euclid Avenue IS great. It is great from Public Square to past CSU. Then it is looking much better all the way to East 55th St. Also, it looks wonderful in University Circle and around the Clinic. However, the stretch from E. 55th St. to E. 79th St. is still the pits. Take Euclid Ave. past E. 55th St. some time and turn left on E. 59th St. toward Chester. You'll see what I mean.

But, yes, especially downtown, Euclid Ave. is really looking great these days.

I understand. Is it kind of off the beaten path?

[jam40jeff]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

I understand. Is it kind of off the beaten path?

Not really. It is halfway between downtown and University Circle (actually probably a little closer to University Circle) on a major road which has just been rehabbed for a BRT (Euclid Avenue). This section of town has been in decay for years, but now that Euclid Avenue has just been redone there has been a push to redevelop this area. Most of the redevelopment thus far, however, has been closer to downtown or University Circle. This area is a couple miles from UC and about 3 from downtown, and (especially in this economy) you can't fin up everything at once, so it'll probably be a worn down area for a little while to come. It will be nice when they do get there, however, so that there is more vibrancy connecting downtown and University Circle, both of which are doing very well.

Here is the area I am talking about:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...27895&t=h&z=16

Euclid Avenue gets much nicer (and fast) both east and west of here, but this specific part is in bad shape right now.

[Beavercreek33]

LOL I am typing this while sitting in my office. Its Friday so...

When I went to Cleveland, I had a great time, and I really like the urban feel and vibrancy that downtown has to offer. It is a shame that people in Cleveland are so negative about their city, because it has so much to offer over so many other cities across the country.

People don't even realize that every city has urban decay, and has its problems. Its what major cities go through, keyword there being major. People in Cleveland just seem to harp on theirs, and can't be upbeat about anything. A lot of people on here do it too. I look forward to a turnaround in the country's economy and the many awesome projects Cleveland has lined up.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

By your definition you should check out Holton Ave. in Cleveland. It goes from E75th to Woodhill/E93rd. Ive been down the whole street before and its almost entirely dirty vacant lots and abandoned buildings. People dump a lot of stuff down there also. Very ugly area.

No offense to this poster, but its kind of the negative attitude I am talking about.

I have seen many of his/her posts before, and all they do is talk about how big of a dumb Cleveland is, and all the crime and murders and decay... That talk gets so annoying. Be positive, and look at the positives. I realize there are few of them in today's economy, but that can be said everywhere. I have been all over the country, and Cleveland has so much to offer, but people fail to realize this or JUST DON'T WANT TO...

[jam40jeff]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

LOL I am typing this while sitting in my office. Its Friday so...

When I went to Cleveland, I had a great time, and I really like the urban feel and vibrancy that downtown has to offer. It is a shame that people in Cleveland are so negative about their city, because it has so much to offer over so many other cities across the country.

People don't even realize that every city has urban decay, and has its problems. Its what major cities go through, keyword there being major. People in Cleveland just seem to harp on theirs, and can't be upbeat about anything. A lot of people on here do it too. I look forward to a turnaround in the country's economy and the many awesome projects Cleveland has lined up.

I live in Cleveland and I love it. I think there are many great things to do here that we don't get credit for. Besides the obvious (multiple professional sports teams and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame), we have great culutral institutions, parks, and beaches, many fantastic restaurants, numerous great walkable neighborhoods, and a good public transit system. However (like any other big city) we have some very run down areas. I was just pointing out a couple. This surely doesn't reflect on teh city as a whole. The same could be said for pretty much any other city int he United States thanks to suburban sprawl.

And personally I think urban grit is much more interesting than suburban sprawl.

But, yes, there are way too many people in Cleveland that are way too negative about the city. It all starts with the newspaper, The Plain Dealer, which fuels a lot of the negativity.

[MaryBeth2]

The way I see it is beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and no ones negativity towards anything I liked ever changed my opinion at all. I guess sometimes we just have to agree to disagree on things. Not that I am voicing an opinion one way or nother on Cleveland, but I'd rather think I'd want to see the good there too.

[Beavercreek33]

Rep points to both of you! Great posts.

Jeff, I agree. Cleveland has so much, but people do not do the research on it, that is one reason it is so underrated, or people went there in the 90s and still think it looks the same to this day. I still cannot get over the fact that Cleveland has a national park 30 minutes from downtown, and one of the most extensive metro park systems in the country, not to mention its great light rail, even some cities twice the size of Cleveland do not have light rail.

Mary, I agree also. Let people speak their opinions, this site is meant for it. But when there is complete and total all-out bashing on one city that clearly has a lot going on and going for it, its like all they want to do is harp on its bad points.

Anyway, I guess to each their own.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

No offense to this poster, but its kind of the negative attitude I am talking about.

I have seen many of his/her posts before, and all they do is talk about how big of a dumb Cleveland is, and all the crime and murders and decay... That talk gets so annoying. Be positive, and look at the positives. I realize there are few of them in today's economy, but that can be said everywhere. I have been all over the country, and Cleveland has so much to offer, but people fail to realize this or JUST DON'T WANT TO...

Lately I have been talking mostly about that because they seem to be the more interesting threads/topics to me.

I have a lot of posts in here, and if you look back at a lot of them I am being positive and optimistic about Cleveland. I was born in the city (Westside, off of Storer) and lived in the metro the majority of my life. I love Cleveland and the whole area.

We do have a lot of things going for us as mentioned, Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, Cavs, Browns, Indians, Light/Heavy rail, museums, national parks, etc. When I say bad things its mostly just the reality of the situation for the city of Cleveland and some surrounding suburbs/cities. The majority of the Cleveland metro/Northeast Ohio is in great shape and are great places to raise a family with nice schools and low crime. Im not always negative about Cleveland.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Lately I have been talking mostly about that because they seem to be the more interesting threads/topics to me.

I have a lot of posts in here, and if you look back at a lot of them I am being positive and optimistic about Cleveland. I was born in the city (Westside, off of Storer) and lived in the metro the majority of my life. I love Cleveland and the whole area.

We do have a lot of things going for us as mentioned, Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, Cavs, Browns, Indians, Light/Heavy rail, museums, national parks, etc. When I say bad things its mostly just the reality of the situation for the city of Cleveland and some surrounding suburbs/cities. The majority of the Cleveland metro/Northeast Ohio is in great shape and are great places to raise a family with nice schools and low crime. Im not always negative about Cleveland.

Well glad to see that you are actually upbeat about Cleveland. Don't judge a book by its cover right...

Anyway, look forward to posting along side you in the Cleveland forum.

[Orwelleaut]

Cleveland on the East side. Exit on East 71'st St. off of I-90. This is as hardcore a ghetto neighborhood as I've seen anywhere.

Otherwise, Steubenville near the Save-A-Lot, Monroe St. in Toledo just West of downtown, and U.S. 422 going through the East side of Youngstown.