Ohio cities homicide rates (Cleveland, Toledo: living in, gangs, title)

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

cleveland is a city famous for under-reporting the crimes that occur, i have been to philly many times as my grandparents have lived in north philly for many years. i used to live in eastside cleveland and it is just as crime-ridden as north or west philly (the robbery rate in cleveland beats the robbery rate in philly tenfold).

Yes, and I am from Allentown, Pennsylvania very close to Philly. I lived there until I was 21. I know SE Pennsylvania very well. You lived on the eastside of Cleveland, isn't that the worst section of the city? And they under-report their crime? LOL no, if anything, they are always talking about it, have you read the Plain Dealer lately? That is all they talk about... the crime. They do not even have an article about how the Flats East Bank half billion dollar mixed-use project is getting started this summer.

Philadelphia is more dangerous than Cleveland. There is no question about it.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Ive also lived in (for a few months) and been to/visited Chicago and Philly, and am very familiar with those 2. Never been to Miami, although I will in the near future, but I heard it has improved greatly over the years. Never been to Phoenix but its not known to be a very dangerous city, although of course it does have a crime problem.

Those stats that I put up are just about all correct. Some may be off by a small margin because I got the other cities numbers from this site, which have been way off for some cities.

Here are some more links:
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
City Crime Rankings by Population Group
http://www.city-data.com/top2/c405.html

Lived in for a few months or a few years is a huge differance. I am an IT representative, and I have been to Chicago many times, I lived in Philly all my life, except three years, and I still have family there.

Also, going to a place, and hearing something is completely different. Good luck in Miami, and try to avoid the pan-handlers. I have found them to be more aggressive than the ones in New York and Washington D.C.

[scoob]

Youngstown (11) homicides the 2th one today........... pop: 70,000

[JR_C]

Youngstown homicides 10 and 11.

First one early this morning, around 4 am, on Falls Ave. - south side.
Falls Avenue Shooting - WKBN - 27 First News - Local News - Youngstown, Warren, Columbiana, Ohio - Sharon, Pennsylvania

Second one happened around 11:30 am on Ayers Street - east side.
Ayers Street Homicide - WKBN - 27 First News - Local News - Youngstown, Warren, Columbiana, Ohio - Sharon, Pennsylvania

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

Yes, and I am from Allentown, Pennsylvania very close to Philly. I lived there until I was 21. I know SE Pennsylvania very well. You lived on the eastside of Cleveland, isn't that the worst section of the city? And they under-report their crime? LOL no, if anything, they are always talking about it, have you read the Plain Dealer lately? That is all they talk about... the crime. They do not even have an article about how the Flats East Bank half billion dollar mixed-use project is getting started this summer.

Philadelphia is more dangerous than Cleveland. There is no question about it.

By him saying "under reporting crimes" hes not talking about the newspaper and the media, hes talking about the people and the police force.

Cleveland is probably the worst city Ive ever been to as far as not reporting crime. For example, lets say a crime happens thats not as serious as a shooting or murder, the majority of the time residents dont even bother to call the police because if they ever show up it usually wont be for hours. This is especially true in the bad neighborhoods. That crime happens in the city but doesnt get counted on any statistics. If even 1/2 of those crimes were reported correctly, it would dramatically increase the already very high crime rate/crime statistics. This type of things happens in most high crime areas/cities, but Cleveland is one of the worst.

There is no question that Philadelphia is more dangerous than Cleveland? Its funny that everything else says exactly the opposite.

[BelieveInCleve]

Lets look at the stats:
Homicide Rate (2007):
Cleveland-30.8
Philadelphia-27.3
Chicago-15.6
Most Dangerous Cities (2008, morganquitno):
11. Cleveland-255.80
22. Philadelphia-192.10
(Chicago was not included)
City-Data Crime Index (2007):
Cleveland-841.3
Philadelphia-682.9
Chicago-592.2

Im very familiar with Philly and Chicago. They both are relatively rough cities with some very rough neighborhoods, but overall Cleveland is the most dangerous out of the 3.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

Philadelphia is more dangerous than Cleveland. There is no question about it.

No it's not. You speak about the Plain Dealer reporting these killings - which is perfectly ok to inform the citizens. Yet you are influenced by the media in believing Philly is more dangerous..... highly ironic!

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Im very familiar with Philly and Chicago. They both are relatively rough cities with some very rough neighborhoods, but overall Cleveland is the most dangerous out of the 3.

If numbers and statistics is how you view a city as being dangerous than it is what it is, but Ive lived in Chicago and Ive been to the east side of Cleveland and I would feel alot safer walking down any part of St. Clair on up to the lake at night than any part of the West side or South side of Chicago. Saying Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly or Chicago by numbers is like saying Akron is more dangerous than New York because it has higher numbers. That sounds stupid. We all know cities in Ohio are dealing with the recession far worse than most of the country, but to make it seem like Cleveland is the most violent city on earth is far from reality my dude... Its rough out there, but it aint Chi-town......

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

You know whats funny. I realize this is the Ohio forum, but people pin-point Ohio's cities as being these terrible cities with horrible crime rates, and yes, the crime is bad, but its bad everywhere. Ohio has a lot of big cities, and in big cities you will face crime problems. I don't see anyone in this thread talking about the crime down in Miami, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, or New Orleans. All these cities have worse crime probelms than Cleveland, Cincinnati, or Columbus.

Just an observation...

Just read this thread... So true....

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

If numbers and statistics is how you view a city as being dangerous than it is what it is, but Ive lived in Chicago and Ive been to the east side of Cleveland and I would feel alot safer walking down any part of St. Clair on up to the lake at night than any part of the West side or South side of Chicago. Saying Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly or Chicago by numbers is like saying Akron is more dangerous than New York because it has higher numbers. That sounds stupid. We all know cities in Ohio are dealing with the recession far worse than most of the country, but to make it seem like Cleveland is the most violent city on earth is far from reality my dude... Its rough out there, but it aint Chi-town......

Ive lived in Chicago as well along with some of the suburbs for a short time and have visited many times as Ive said. St. Clair is just as bad as any major street in Chicago. Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly and Chicago. I dont understand your logic on how its not.

Noone is saying Cleveland is the most violent city on earth, dont put words in anyones mouth. All Im doing is correcting somebody for saying something false. Youre right, Clevelands not Chicago, its worse. Everyone who thinks like you and Beavercreek do can either stay in denial, or accept the reality of the situation and move forward. Denying how bad a city is isnt going to make it any better, youre just trying to sweep the truth under a rug.