Ohio cities homicide rates (Columbus, Cleveland: living, move, land)

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

If numbers and statistics is how you view a city as being dangerous than it is what it is, but Ive lived in Chicago and Ive been to the east side of Cleveland and I would feel alot safer walking down any part of St. Clair on up to the lake at night than any part of the West side or South side of Chicago. Saying Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly or Chicago by numbers is like saying Akron is more dangerous than New York because it has higher numbers. That sounds stupid. We all know cities in Ohio are dealing with the recession far worse than most of the country, but to make it seem like Cleveland is the most violent city on earth is far from reality my dude... Its rough out there, but it aint Chi-town......

look, i've lived in the eastside of cleveland for a good amount of my life, on st. clair none the less. i've been shot, robbed a few times, stabbed 4 times, been in maybe 40 fights at a very young age all while living on st. clair (i've been shot and robbed while living in north hartford, ct also). i've spent summers (3-4 monthes at a time) in north philly and nothing ever happened to me there, nothing. until you've lived in and experianced these areas on real-life basis, you can't say that one area is harder than the other. case closed.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

look, i've lived in the eastside of cleveland for a good amount of my life, on st. clair none the less. i've been shot, robbed a few times, stabbed 4 times, been in maybe 40 fights at a very young age all while living on st. clair (i've been shot and robbed while living in north hartford, ct also). i've spent summers (3-4 monthes at a time) in north philly and nothing ever happened to me there, nothing. until you've lived in and experianced these areas on real-life basis, you can't say that one area is harder than the other. case closed.

You just said it yourself, until you've lived in that area you cant say its harder than the other.... Real talk, but Im speaking on dude who said Cleveland was more dangerous than Chicago. Ive experienced the same as what you just mentioned in Toledo, if not me people close to me, let alone all the dudes I know whose been shot and jumped on a regular basis in Chicago. What you said aint nothin new to me.....

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

You just said it yourself, until you've lived in that area you cant say its harder than the other.... Real talk, but Im speaking on dude who said Cleveland was more dangerous than Chicago. Ive experienced the same as what you just mentioned in Toledo, if not me people close to me, let alone all the dudes I know whose been shot and jumped on a regular basis in Chicago. What you said aint nothin new to me.....

yea, i hear everything you say and agree with most of it, speaking in general, if you bring that "i'm from this area" noise to the hoods in eastside cleveland they aint gonna care where your from. same thing goes to someone from eastside cleveland bringing that noise to hoods somewhere else they ain't familiar with. that golden rule applys to everyone and anyone. if you lived in the hood you know what i mean when i say, "it ain't where your from, it's what your about."

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

If numbers and statistics is how you view a city as being dangerous than it is what it is, but Ive lived in Chicago and Ive been to the east side of Cleveland and I would feel alot safer walking down any part of St. Clair on up to the lake at night than any part of the West side or South side of Chicago. Saying Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly or Chicago by numbers is like saying Akron is more dangerous than New York because it has higher numbers. That sounds stupid. We all know cities in Ohio are dealing with the recession far worse than most of the country, but to make it seem like Cleveland is the most violent city on earth is far from reality my dude... Its rough out there, but it aint Chi-town......

I don't know what you are talking about, but statistics are the best way to compare the cities. Cleveland is far smaller then both Chicago and Philly, yet has an alarming number of crimes - more so than any sub-neighborhood in cities listed.

And how do higher numbers not equivocate to higher crime? It's the same damn thing. And what are you talking about with Akron being more dangerous then NYC? Sorry, but you're just not very smart. I can't tell you how many people I know who have been victims to gun violence.. it's almost stupid arguing with someone with as little knowledge as you. And no, Cleveland isn't the most violent, but it's ONE of the most violent. Others include Detroit, Youngstown, Baltimore, St Louis, Compton.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

I don't know what you are talking about, but statistics are the best way to compare the cities. Cleveland is far smaller then both Chicago and Philly, yet has an alarming number of crimes - more so than any sub-neighborhood in cities listed.

And how do higher numbers not equivocate to higher crime? It's the same damn thing. And what are you talking about with Akron being more dangerous then NYC? Sorry, but you're just not very smart. I can't tell you how many people I know who have been victims to gun violence.. it's almost stupid arguing with someone with as little knowledge as you. And no, Cleveland isn't the most violent, but it's ONE of the most violent. Others include Detroit, Youngstown, Baltimore, St Louis, Compton.

You're making two different points. The guy you quoted is saying the most dangerous parts of Chicago and Philly are more dangerous than the most dangerous parts of Cleveland. More serious, organized gangs, more money at stake, basically everything's on a bigger scale. You're saying Cleveland is more dangerous on average, because 95 percent of Cleveland can be described as AT BEST working-class, while Chicago, especially, has huge yuppie areas where there's very little crime, thus bringing down their average. You're both right. It's pointless and petty to argue who's "more right," or whatever the hell it is you're arguing. Is this really so difficult to understand?

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

I don't know what you are talking about, but statistics are the best way to compare the cities. Cleveland is far smaller then both Chicago and Philly, yet has an alarming number of crimes - more so than any sub-neighborhood in cities listed.

And how do higher numbers not equivocate to higher crime? It's the same damn thing. And what are you talking about with Akron being more dangerous then NYC? Sorry, but you're just not very smart. I can't tell you how many people I know who have been victims to gun violence.. it's almost stupid arguing with someone with as little knowledge as you. And no, Cleveland isn't the most violent, but it's ONE of the most violent. Others include Detroit, Youngstown, Baltimore, St Louis, Compton.

First you totally missed my whole point when comparing Akron to New York, if numbers do equivocate to higher numbers. Basically your proving how uneducated you are sir. I did not say Akron was more dangerous than New York, but if you go by numbers then yes it is. What you just said about Cleveland compared to Philly and Chicago is the same thing. That is what I said... NUMBERS mean nothin PERIOD.... Real people who live in the hood can care less about numbers, they gotta live through tha madness everyday. And I have news for you, we all know people who have been victims of gun violence including myself and this is not limited to the state of Ohio..... Like one rapper said back in the day your hood aint no harder than mine.... Basically this conversation is pointless.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You're making two different points. The guy you quoted is saying the most dangerous parts of Chicago and Philly are more dangerous than the most dangerous parts of Cleveland. More serious, organized gangs, more money at stake, basically everything's on a bigger scale. You're saying Cleveland is more dangerous on average, because 95 percent of Cleveland can be described as AT BEST working-class, while Chicago, especially, has huge yuppie areas where there's very little crime, thus bringing down their average. You're both right. It's pointless and petty to argue who's "more right," or whatever the hell it is you're arguing. Is this really so difficult to understand?

Exactly....

[BelieveInCleve]

I need to straighten a few things out in this thread.

Let me remind everyone that the thread title is "Ohio cities homicide rates". As far as Beavercreek asking the question about talking about more dangerous cities in other states, and why were just focusing on Ohio, thats because were on the Ohio forum and were talking about "Ohio cities homicide rates", not cities in other states. As far as the cities you mentioned, as I already said, Cleveland is more dangerous than Phoenix, Philly, Chicago, Miami, etc. So the point you were trying to make was not correct. Youngstown, and Dayton along with other cities in Ohio are worse than most of those you mentioned as well.

Then thats where the topic changes even more so now we have a member on here telling us that stats mean nothing at all for how dangerous a city is. The point you are trying to make is pretty irrelevant. Cleveland has a higher homicide rate than Philly and Chicago, its has a higher crime rate overall, and its worse areas are very close to, if not just as bad as the worst areas of Philly and Chicago. I know about all of these areas as I already said. You are more likely to become a victim of a crime in Cleveland than Philly, Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Miami, etc the majority of other cities mentioned.

Maybe we should get back on the topic of the thread and stop arguing about irrelevant things, especially when its false on your sides of the argument.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I need to straighten a few things out in this thread.

Let me remind everyone that the thread title is "Ohio cities homicide rates". As far as Beavercreek asking the question about talking about more dangerous cities in other states, and why were just focusing on Ohio, thats because were on the Ohio forum and were talking about "Ohio cities homicide rates", not cities in other states. As far as the cities you mentioned, as I already said, Cleveland is more dangerous than Phoenix, Philly, Chicago, Miami, etc. So the point you were trying to make was not correct. Youngstown, and Dayton along with other cities in Ohio are worse than most of those you mentioned as well.

Then thats where the topic changes even more so now we have a member on here telling us that stats mean nothing at all for how dangerous a city is. The point you are trying to make is pretty irrelevant. Cleveland has a higher homicide rate than Philly and Chicago, its has a higher crime rate overall, and its worse areas are very close to, if not just as bad as the worst areas of Philly and Chicago. I know about all of these areas as I already said. You are more likely to become a victim of a crime in Cleveland than Philly, Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Miami, etc the majority of other cities mentioned.

Maybe we should get back on the topic of the thread and stop arguing about irrelevant things, especially when its false on your sides of the argument.

I dont want to keep repeating myself, so read my response to you in the other thread, I think it was bad areas in Toledo, because we're going to keep going back and forth on all of these threads because you somehow feel that Cleveland is the worst place on earth and use statistics to back it up when I know plenty of people from Cleveland who would feel otherwise.... The only reason why Beavercreek even mentioned other cities outside Ohio is because you keep making Cleveland sound like its similar to Iraq. Crime happens everywhere and you can become a victim of a crime in Cleveland at the same rate as Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Philly, New York, or even Omaha, NE. Matter of fact, ctownplayer already said it, unless you've actually lived there on a regular basis then you cant say you know about living there. So again this argument is pointless.

[BelieveInCleve]

It seems like your strategy for winning this ridiculous argument is to put words in peoples mouths and start another argument. I never once said Cleveland was the most "violent place on earth". I never once said that Cleveland was the "worst place on earth", and I never once said that Cleveland was "similar to Iraq". Stop making up things that I said. Ive been in this type of argument numerous times since I joined this site, because people like you have no idea what theyre talking about and I feel a need to let you and others understand the truth. Accept it or not.

Cleveland is a great city and a great metro, but certain places in the city and metro have huge problems with crime and poverty, namely the city of Cleveland along with a few other areas. Even in that post you say another thing that I feel I need to correct because its false. "you can become a victim of a crime in Cleveland at the same rate as Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Philly, New York, or even Omaha, NE" No.

"Matter of fact, ctownplayer already said it, unless you've actually lived there on a regular basis then you cant say you know about living there" You just contradicted yourself because you havent lived in the city of Cleveland or the majority of the cities mentioned, so I guess you cant really talk about it. Ive lived or at least been to the majority of these places.