Ohio cities homicide rates (Columbus, Cleveland: store, things to do, rated)

[scoob]

whats the stats like so far in canton?

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I need to straighten a few things out in this thread.

Let me remind everyone that the thread title is "Ohio cities homicide rates". As far as Beavercreek asking the question about talking about more dangerous cities in other states, and why were just focusing on Ohio, thats because were on the Ohio forum and were talking about "Ohio cities homicide rates", not cities in other states. As far as the cities you mentioned, as I already said, Cleveland is more dangerous than Phoenix, Philly, Chicago, Miami, etc. So the point you were trying to make was not correct. Youngstown, and Dayton along with other cities in Ohio are worse than most of those you mentioned as well.

Then thats where the topic changes even more so now we have a member on here telling us that stats mean nothing at all for how dangerous a city is. The point you are trying to make is pretty irrelevant. Cleveland has a higher homicide rate than Philly and Chicago, its has a higher crime rate overall, and its worse areas are very close to, if not just as bad as the worst areas of Philly and Chicago. I know about all of these areas as I already said. You are more likely to become a victim of a crime in Cleveland than Philly, Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Miami, etc the majority of other cities mentioned.

Maybe we should get back on the topic of the thread and stop arguing about irrelevant things, especially when its false on your sides of the argument.

You start arguements all the time with other posters in all kinds of different threads. I have read your posts, and you always go off topic. Don't even throw any blame on me!

You have no clue what you are talking about. You know nothing about Philly, and it seems like you just read stats all day of your life. Heres something for you, go out, and experience a city, don't freaking sit there and read stats. You must be a real negative person, all you do is talk about crime and decay. What a shame...

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

By him saying "under reporting crimes" hes not talking about the newspaper and the media, hes talking about the people and the police force.

Cleveland is probably the worst city Ive ever been to as far as not reporting crime. For example, lets say a crime happens thats not as serious as a shooting or murder, the majority of the time residents dont even bother to call the police because if they ever show up it usually wont be for hours. This is especially true in the bad neighborhoods. That crime happens in the city but doesnt get counted on any statistics. If even 1/2 of those crimes were reported correctly, it would dramatically increase the already very high crime rate/crime statistics. This type of things happens in most high crime areas/cities, but Cleveland is one of the worst.

There is no question that Philadelphia is more dangerous than Cleveland? Its funny that everything else says exactly the opposite.

LOL, all you do is read stats. You know nothing about Philly...

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Lets look at the stats:
Homicide Rate (2007):
Cleveland-30.8
Philadelphia-27.3
Chicago-15.6
Most Dangerous Cities (2008, morganquitno):
11. Cleveland-255.80
22. Philadelphia-192.10
(Chicago was not included)
City-Data Crime Index (2007):
Cleveland-841.3
Philadelphia-682.9
Chicago-592.2

Im very familiar with Philly and Chicago. They both are relatively rough cities with some very rough neighborhoods, but overall Cleveland is the most dangerous out of the 3.

What a suprise... more stats. You are clearly not at all familiar with Philly. I can tell just by the way you talk about the crime.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

No it's not. You speak about the Plain Dealer reporting these killings - which is perfectly ok to inform the citizens. Yet you are influenced by the media in believing Philly is more dangerous..... highly ironic!

I am not influenced by the media. Its called I lived there for 21 years of my life. I have seen it first hand. Have you ever even been to Philly? You probaly have no clue what goes on in that city, so otherwise, you have no reason to talk about the Cleveland/Philly thing here.

Ironic huh!

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Ive lived in Chicago as well along with some of the suburbs for a short time and have visited many times as Ive said. St. Clair is just as bad as any major street in Chicago. Cleveland is more dangerous than Philly and Chicago. I dont understand your logic on how its not.

Noone is saying Cleveland is the most violent city on earth, dont put words in anyones mouth. All Im doing is correcting somebody for saying something false. Youre right, Clevelands not Chicago, its worse. Everyone who thinks like you and Beavercreek do can either stay in denial, or accept the reality of the situation and move forward. Denying how bad a city is isnt going to make it any better, youre just trying to sweep the truth under a rug.

Dude, get over it. You are so negative all the time. The reality is, you go out of your way to make Cleveland look bad. There is no denying it has its crime problems, just like so many other U.S. cities. But you go and report every single murder in every single city in Ohio. Out of the 800,000 members on this site, I bet no one does what you do.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

I dont want to keep repeating myself, so read my response to you in the other thread, I think it was bad areas in Toledo, because we're going to keep going back and forth on all of these threads because you somehow feel that Cleveland is the worst place on earth and use statistics to back it up when I know plenty of people from Cleveland who would feel otherwise.... The only reason why Beavercreek even mentioned other cities outside Ohio is because you keep making Cleveland sound like its similar to Iraq. Crime happens everywhere and you can become a victim of a crime in Cleveland at the same rate as Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Philly, New York, or even Omaha, NE. Matter of fact, ctownplayer already said it, unless you've actually lived there on a regular basis then you cant say you know about living there. So again this argument is pointless.

Thank you!

People debate this guy all the time, but the problem is, god forbid you prove him wrong, in his eyes, hes never wrong.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by Cle440

It seems like your strategy for winning this ridiculous argument is to put words in peoples mouths and start another argument. I never once said Cleveland was the most "violent place on earth". I never once said that Cleveland was the "worst place on earth", and I never once said that Cleveland was "similar to Iraq". Stop making up things that I said. Ive been in this type of argument numerous times since I joined this site, because people like you have no idea what theyre talking about and I feel a need to let you and others understand the truth. Accept it or not.

Cleveland is a great city and a great metro, but certain places in the city and metro have huge problems with crime and poverty, namely the city of Cleveland along with a few other areas. Even in that post you say another thing that I feel I need to correct because its false. "you can become a victim of a crime in Cleveland at the same rate as Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Philly, New York, or even Omaha, NE" No.

"Matter of fact, ctownplayer already said it, unless you've actually lived there on a regular basis then you cant say you know about living there" You just contradicted yourself because you havent lived in the city of Cleveland or the majority of the cities mentioned, so I guess you cant really talk about it. Ive lived or at least been to the majority of these places.

You have never lived in Philly! So you just contradicted your last statement there.

[BelieveInCleve]

Contrary to what you may think I dont read stats all day, I go out and experience cities nearly every day of my life. Just about the entire time from 2002-mid 2007 I was out traveling and living in other places, only in NE Ohio for a very short time. These places include Columbus, Chicago, Philly, NYC, Jersey, Boston, D.C., and many other cities/areas across the country. Thats not even counting all the areas I visited growing up. Crime and decay is real and its an issue so I talk about it, but thats not even 1/10th of what I talk about on here. If its negative maybe its because I grew up in the ghetto, am still around this everyday, and its the truth.

I have lived in Philly and am very familiar with Philly. Apparently its you who doesnt know what theyre talking about. Now that I think about it, this all makes sense now because youve never lived in Cleveland before and you admitted that . Youve only been to Cleveland once ( http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...-ceromony.html ). Just by looking at that thread I can see the truth and your agenda. You have no credibility left in this argument. If I was wrong I would have never started in this argument in this 1st place, or if I would have made a mistake I would have admitted it. Im not wrong and all Ive said is the truth. Its you who cant accept that your wrong. The truth will set you free Beavercreek.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Cle440

It seems like your strategy for winning this ridiculous argument is to put words in peoples mouths and start another argument. I never once said Cleveland was the most "violent place on earth". I never once said that Cleveland was the "worst place on earth", and I never once said that Cleveland was "similar to Iraq". Stop making up things that I said. Ive been in this type of argument numerous times since I joined this site, because people like you have no idea what theyre talking about and I feel a need to let you and others understand the truth. Accept it or not.

Cleveland is a great city and a great metro, but certain places in the city and metro have huge problems with crime and poverty, namely the city of Cleveland along with a few other areas. Even in that post you say another thing that I feel I need to correct because its false. "you can become a victim of a crime in Cleveland at the same rate as Chicago, Toledo, Phoenix, Philly, New York, or even Omaha, NE" No.

"Matter of fact, ctownplayer already said it, unless you've actually lived there on a regular basis then you cant say you know about living there" You just contradicted yourself because you havent lived in the city of Cleveland or the majority of the cities mentioned, so I guess you cant really talk about it. Ive lived or at least been to the majority of these places.

I contradicted myself? You just contradicted yourself. Visiting somewhere is totally different than actually living there, but you come back with crime stats. back at ya. And I constantly keep saying I lived in Chicago and Toledo most of my life. I think I know what Im talking about. I dont need to go on here and check crime stats.

"Ive been in this type of argument numerous times since I joined this site, because people like you have no idea what theyre talking about and I feel a need to let you and others understand the truth"

Can you prove that you actually know what your talking about? I mean if people keep disagreeing with you and I think only maybe two people actually disagreed with me then how is it you know the truth? So everyone on here is wrong and you're right? I guess we stand corrected.

For real for real, I love Cleveland, its only 90 minutes from Toledo. I know it has its problems and I do know its dealing with alot more problems than plenty of other cities right now, but so is most of this region We're in the Rustbelt, but to me I think your giving Cleveland more of a bad name than it actually needs right now and our argument is there are other places dealing with worse crime problems and we only mentioned a few of those cities. You continually disagree with this statement and use statistics to argue with me and others. We don't use statistics, we use personal experiences. One person already mentioned that cities like Chicago, Philly, and New York are not rated as high because there are millions of people who live in those cities and there are areas where crime happens very rarely, but you seemed to forget or simply just dont know that those cities have been dealing with crime for decades especially organized crime.

Im going to say this and be done with you because I already know someone else is going to argue with you right after me I already mentioned I dont know Cleveland like that, Ive only been there a couple of times in my life, but Cleveland is not far away, Ive known plenty of people from the Land and they tell me alot of what takes place over there, but I can only go off what they've told me. However, Ive actually lived in Chicago, no it is not rated as dangerous as Cleveland, but again its a city with over 2 million people. I remember you posting Clevelands latest murder which I think you said is now at 46. Well in Chicago thats about the same number of children under the age of 18 that has been killed so far this year and that has been on CNN for the past two or three weeks. Again, we're arguing about it, but real people are living it.