Ohio cities homicide rates (Cleveland, Toledo: buy, safety, slums)

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

Oh well, sorry your feel that way. But my statement was just the way I feel about the problem (I don't Care ). I don't live in the suburbs, I live way out in the country, (thanks to the Creator). And I still don't care what6 happens in Cleveland or any other city, I try to avoid the cities at all cost. And when I do go into or pass through I'm usually packing a gun, for personnal protection. They could burn thier own slums or thier (HOODS) to the ground and I wouldn't even bat an eye at the problem. Out here, when we spot an unknown vehicle, we start calling each other to see whats going on, especially what county they come from. And most of us keep loaded weapons for a reason. Not the four legged animals, but for the two legged animals that come out here to do something stupid.
Its like what I told my DW, she always knows when I'm comeing home. So if some punk breaks into the house, just open fire. When she asked me, "what if is a 14 year old kid"? I just replied, "in the dark you cannot tell how old a person is, just shoot". We will sent thier mommy and daddy a thank you note later for the moving target. Why? because they broke into my home with intent to commit a crime and or harm, to bad.

it's people like you that make decent gun owners a target for anti-gun nuts.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

it's people like you that make decent gun owners a target for anti-gun nuts.

And how do you figure that is. Just because I keep loaded weapons in my home? sorry no kids to worry about. Or, is it because I believe in protecting myself and my wife at any cost. Even if it means plugging some punk kid that breaks into MY HOME, when his mommy and daddy should have put a leash on thier brat?

So which is it?

Besides, I was a Certified weapons instructor/range coach and a small arms repair specialist in the military for 20+ years, so I know how to use a weapon. And that all started back in July of 1979, and your how old?
And in Ohio under the ORC you have the right to protect yourself and the life of another by use of deadly force, as long as its Logical, Reasonable & Necessary use of deadly force. And in the dark you can't tell what age they are.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

i've lived everything you're talking about, so i can relate to what you say. i grew up dirt poor, with my mom, since my parents separated when i was around 9. my teen years were pretty bad and they continued to get worse as i grew older. since i grew up in poverty my whole life, i was enamored by the concept of having money so i did whatever i could to obtain it. i had to have the flyest clothes, sickest jewelry, and my shoe game had to be on point. money was scarce for me and i felt like i had to do certain things to get it. this lifestyle followed me all the way to hartford (and high ridge gardens in danbury for a short while, i was actually shot here with a .22 in the arm and robbed, i never got shot or robbed in hartford, i just read one of my earlier posts in this thread and felt like i had to correct my mistake) i when i moved out when i was 17 all the way till i was 21. i'm 22 and i just recently got out of that by finding a good job and trying to go to college. i have very strong regrets in my life, but i can't take them back now, but at least i realized that and now i have nowhere to go but up.

great post, I feel you my dude, Im tryna get my cousin over in the Chi to realize theres more to life than the southside. Hes 23 and still hasnt seen much of life past the Sears Tower. I got fam in Toledo thats the same way, Im glad you posted that. Keep doin what you doin....

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Cle440

lastonestanding, those arent exactly the kind of stats I was talking about...

Youre side of the argument was that Chicago was more or as dangerous as Cleveland. How do those stats show that? They dont.

Youre posting links of things I already know. Im very familiar with Chicago. A lot of those stats are using raw numbers without mentioning that the city has nearly 2.8 million people. So since Chicago has more raw numbers of all crimes than Camden NJ somehow that makes Chicago as bad or worse than Camden? No. That means Chicago has a lot bigger of a crime problem than Camden? No. You use per capita, not raw numbers. That and actually being very familiar with the cities, which I am.

Does Chicago have a big crime problem? yes. Are there some very rough neighborhoods in Chicago? yes. Is it more dangerous and with a higher crime rate than Cleveland? No. Im not trying to make Cleveland look worse, nor should I have to prove this in any way. Its just fact. All Im trying to do is show the truth. If someone came in here talking about how much more dangerous Cleveland was than Detroit, I would be the first to defend it and show Cleveland was less dangerous than Detroit, because it is. If Chicago was more dangerous with a higher crime rate than Cleveland, I would say that as well, but its not. By the way I have lived it, and am still living it. Just this year Ive had 2 friends murdered already (R.I.P.).

Sorry to hear about your friends, any murder is one too many.... I just got back from Chicago today and it gets depressing seeing all what I see when Im there.... I can care less about numbers right now my dude....

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

SEABOLT... good stories. But you still aren't addressing the people who aren't thugs or criminals who get robbed, assaulted, burglarized, and murdered. It happens when you live in a very urban place such as Cleveland. So save your stories for someone who cares. I have lost friends and family who were innocent bystanders, but YOU would probably pass them off as 'thugs' and 'gang-bangers' just because they live in a certain neighborhood. For you to say my loved ones deserved it, is sickening to be quite honest.

Excellent post, people still dont get it...

[BelieveInCleve]

Puddy4Lyf, the address you gave me of N/S Central and Madison is well within the Austin neighborhood in Chicago so maybe its you who doesnt know much about Chicago. Austin is rough, but Oak Park is not. I would also argue that Humboldt Park and Logan Square are rougher than Oak Park. Not that thats my point though, as I said it was just that you technically didnt even live in the city of Chicago.

The neighborhoods did improve greatly after Robert Taylor and Cabrini Green (mostly) were knocked down. Im not saying that it instantly made the surrounding area much greater and yuppies started to flock there, Im just saying that the giant dangerous slums were destroyed and the neighborhood returned to how it would be without them. Yes its still dangerous in those areas, but not nearly as bad as it was when the projects still stood and were occupied. Im still confused at this because when did I ever say I never spent time in those areas? I have friends and family in many areas of Chicago. A childhood friend of mine moved back near his family in Englewood, and I have spent time over there. Along with South Shore, Washington Park, North Lawndale/K-Town, Near Northside, and Garfield Park. Ive at least been to the majority of neighborhoods in Chicago, if not spent time/visited or lived there.

I find this ridiculous and hilarious: You lived in the safest neighborhood in Cleveland (Downtown) and think you know about and can talk about Cleveland and its worst areas, but turn around and tell me I cant talk about Chicago and its worst areas because I lived in a more average Chicago neighborhood, Humboldt Park/Logan Square . What do you think you survived by living in Downtown Cleveland? I never said I survived anything by living in HP, but it is pretty much the average neighborhood in the city of Chicago, unlike Oak Park.

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

And how do you figure that is. Just because I keep loaded weapons in my home? sorry no kids to worry about. Or, is it because I believe in protecting myself and my wife at any cost. Even if it means plugging some punk kid that breaks into MY HOME, when his mommy and daddy should have put a leash on thier brat?

So which is it?

Besides, I was a Certified weapons instructor/range coach and a small arms repair specialist in the military for 20+ years, so I know how to use a weapon. And that all started back in July of 1979, and your how old?
And in Ohio under the ORC you have the right to protect yourself and the life of another by use of deadly force, as long as its Logical, Reasonable & Necessary use of deadly force. And in the dark you can't tell what age they are.

i am 22 and i've first learned to shoot when i was 5 years old. i got my first rifle when i was 7, a youth orientated bolt action single shot 22. i now lived in CT and am i licensed to carry a concealed firearm. i own 20 handguns, 5 shotguns, and 7 rifles (1 338 mag bolt action the rest are grandfathered pre ban assault rifles) and 4 antique firearms. i am an avid gun enthusiast and i own a rather extensive gun collection. my personal favorite is my S&W 500 magnum. i go to my local gun range twice a week now that i can afford ammo. i also have had had extensive firearm training. the only thing that bothered me about you is that you seemed to be amused by perils that befall the famalies of gang bangers and the like from the ghetto. also, and i quote, "sent thier mommy and daddy a thank you note for the moving target" bothered me a little bit.

[scoob]

i have a quick question for everybody. why in every fourm cleveland is being compared to other cities? we already kno its bad there. why must people have to prove how bad it is up there? and how did chicago become a discussion in this fourm. i thought it said Ohio city murder rates??????? im not bashing anybody im just curious?

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by scoob

i have a quick question for everybody. why in every fourm cleveland is being compared to other cities? we already kno its bad there. why must people have to prove how bad it is up there? and how did chicago become a discussion in this fourm. i thought it said Ohio city murder rates??????? im not bashing anybody im just curious?

I agree.

Chicago and other cities outside of Ohio were brought up by another poster on page 10 of this thread. I said the same thing as you that we should only be talking about Ohio cities homicide rates.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

i am 22 and i've first learned to shoot when i was 5 years old. i got my first rifle when i was 7, a youth orientated bolt action single shot 22. i now lived in CT and am i licensed to carry a concealed firearm. i own 20 handguns, 5 shotguns, and 7 rifles (1 338 mag bolt action the rest are grandfathered pre ban assault rifles) and 4 antique firearms. i am an avid gun enthusiast and i own a rather extensive gun collection. my personal favorite is my S&W 500 magnum. i go to my local gun range twice a week now that i can afford ammo. i also have had had extensive firearm training. the only thing that bothered me about you is that you seemed to be amused by perils that befall the famalies of gang bangers and the like from the ghetto. also, and i quote, "sent thier mommy and daddy a thank you note for the moving target" bothered me a little bit.

When one acts like an animal, they get treated like animals. When they want to live by the sword they will die by the sword (from the Bible). This is no attack against you or anyone who act like they have some usable gray matter between thier ears.
We have our share of problems out here in the country, so most of realy could care less what happens in the city. We pack guns to stop 4 legged pest. And I love that little statement of the "thank you Note ", more of them need to be sent out.
And, owning a bunch of guns doen't make one a responsible gun owner, nor does it ever impress anyone, it just mean you have money to burn.