Ohio cities homicide rates (Columbus, Cleveland: money, area, builder)

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by sleepy eyes 1979

Not a gangsta, just an average cat from da land who represent cleveland very well. You can confuse clicks with gangs or pull stats all you want but when people actually bring it up in the streets not on the computer people just laugh. People know da real from da fake. Your opinion does not matter I lost many close people to da streets over random acts of violence and just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know cleveland is dangerous I lived in some of the worst hoods. Bottom line is their is no way to prove that people who disagree even from cleveland let alone in da streets. debate dead got better **** to talk about.

There was never a debate.

Clicks, gangs, i don't care... Cleveland is more violent then the so-called gang meccas in Chicago and LA.

My whole point is Cleveland is more dangerous without the structured gangs.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by sleepy eyes 1979

Not a gangsta, just an average cat from da land who represent cleveland very well. You can confuse clicks with gangs or pull stats all you want but when people actually bring it up in the streets not on the computer people just laugh. People know da real from da fake. Your opinion does not matter I lost many close people to da streets over random acts of violence and just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know cleveland is dangerous I lived in some of the worst hoods. Bottom line is their is no way to prove that people who disagree even from cleveland let alone in da streets. debate dead got better **** to talk about.

I've been in Cleveland many times when gangs were brought up on the streets and nobody laughed about it. Like I said it's not as serious, organized, or structured like Chicago or LA is, but the element is there.

I've lost many friends and family in the streets as well to gang violence, over drugs, and just random acts of violence when the person was innocent.

You also said you were done talking about this two pages ago.

[sleepy eyes 1979]

another cleveland robbery gone bad.

[mrb69]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I've been in Cleveland many times when gangs were brought up on the streets and nobody laughed about it. Like I said it's not as serious, organized, or structured like Chicago or LA is, but the element is there.

I've lost many friends and family in the streets as well to gang violence, over drugs, and just random acts of violence when the person was innocent.

You also said you were done talking about this two pages ago.

What makes it so different? A gang is a gang. Both have guns and both can kill you just as fast. Let me tell you this, when the Brittany Hills Posse got busted everyone was jumping up and down, I guess because they thought BHP was the only structured gang in Columbus. That reaction came from the people in the suburbs, but the truth is in the streets BHP wasn't really anything compared to what is around here. People in Cleveland or anywhere else just try keep it on the "low low".

I lost many friends too man. I'm going to let you people in on what really happens with gangs. When this dude, I knew by the name "von dutch", was murdered by a blood set the "beef" became more intense. During the wake of the dead gang member, stuff started getting out of control and the gang that murdered him went into the funeral home and fliped his casket over. Short story is that his body fell out of the casket and by the time that night was over another young man died at the hands of gangs. I'm not bragging about how bad Columbus is but this what happens here and alot of other places.

Cle440 do you understand what a "diss" is? When you tell people that there crap-infested neigborhood they grew up in, a place where they have lost many friends to gangs and drugs, isn't that bad or grow up in Cleveland, that would make alot of people upset or whatever. As i've said before do not compare cities....compare neigborhoods. The Uzi Alley everyone keeps talking about had 122 apt. buildings. And every single one was bored up. Nowadays its a huge vacant lot near James rd. and Ruhl ave. If you look up Gould rd. or Ruhl ave by James rd. on google maps they still have it on "streetview". Its just like the Windsor Terrace projects that used to be on the north side. Have you seen the 300+ apt. building by Mt. Vernon ave. that has no windows and stands about 20 levels? You can see it on the freeway. Nothing is worse then places like that and there on every side of Columbus. Theres nothing different between a kid growing up in a ghetto in Columbus rather then a kid growing up in a ghetto in Cleveland. Cleveland is worse then Columbus but that only means Cleveland is more of a piece of crap then Columbus.

You don't have to reply because I was reading some of your post on this topic and now it might be to late.

[BelieveInCleve]

mrb69,
I think you meant to reply to "sleep eyes 1979". He was the one that was saying all of that about they're not being real gangs in places. I can relate to what you're saying because I've had people tell me areas where I grew up were "nothing" or "soft", but the difference there is that most of the people saying these things have never been there before or only for a short time. I'm very familiar with Columbus and all I said before was that it wasn't as bad as Cleveland or several other areas I mentioned, I'm in no way saying Columbus is "soft" or that it doesn't have real gangs, I actually have good friends that are in gangs in Columbus.

By the way, the building on Mt Vernon that you're speaking of is called "Poindexter Tower", it's 10 stories tall I think. It was part of the Poindexter Projects over there between Mt Vernon and Long. It's vacant because they're planning on knocking down those entire projects. "Uzi alley" was all vacant and boarded up for the same reason. I heard about this months ago. I was in Columbus for a little while about a week ago but I didn't go past it. They're planning on knocking down more projects in Columbus as well.

[BelieveInCleve]

Here I found a link to it: City moving on plan to raze public-housing projects | ColumbusUnderground.com

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1) Cincinnati, Central Pwky./Liberty St.

2) Chicago, State St./Garfield Blvd.

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17) Tampa, Amelia Ave./Tampa St.

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[mrb69]

Originally Posted by Cle440

mrb69,
I think you meant to reply to "sleep eyes 1979". He was the one that was saying all of that about they're not being real gangs in places. I can relate to what you're saying because I've had people tell me areas where I grew up were "nothing" or "soft", but the difference there is that most of the people saying these things have never been there before or only for a short time. I'm very familiar with Columbus and all I said before was that it wasn't as bad as Cleveland or several other areas I mentioned, I'm in no way saying Columbus is "soft" or that it doesn't have real gangs, I actually have good friends that are in gangs in Columbus.

By the way, the building on Mt Vernon that you're speaking of is called "Poindexter Tower", it's 10 stories tall I think. It was part of the Poindexter Projects over there between Mt Vernon and Long. It's vacant because they're planning on knocking down those entire projects. "Uzi alley" was all vacant and boarded up for the same reason. I heard about this months ago. I was in Columbus for a little while about a week ago but I didn't go past it. They're planning on knocking down more projects in Columbus as well.

I went to the south side the day before and was just shocked! On 18 st. and Columbus st. I saw 8 bored up houses in a row. They were all doubles and that side of town would be listed by many people the best side of the city. On Smith rd. I saw another place that looked just like "Uzi Alley" but just a little bit smaller.

Poindexter Tower was really a place for older people but the owner ran out of money so they had to close it. After it was closed kids went inside and destroyed it. lol Poindexter Village is full of drugs and gangs, so both are kind of different. Theres a tower in the bottoms where its bored just like the Poindexter Tower. Moon rd. projects were all bored up but they kinda fixed it up. East Haven projects were bored up last time i saw it. The Short North projects are bored up but the whole SNP still hang out on the porch out front.

[sleepy eyes 1979]

basically my whole point was is that if you are saying you are in a gang you are saying that you a gangasta and it is alot of people saying that they are affiliated with one thing or another but in reality they just plain soft. I could give examples of how so called folks got beat up in wooster messin with some white girls by eight dudes. I was their. One so called gangster had to get eight staples in his head. You know what they did, nothing. Me personally I could care less I chalked it up as a loss. I know people who are affiliated with actual gangs in cleveland. I never once said their was not gangs in cleveland just saying their is a difference between gangs and clicks. More people in cleveland are victims of random acts of violence and robbery attempts than anything else. There is so called gangs in the suburbs do that make them relevant. If you actually from the streets of Cleveland you know the real from the fake and it hard to tell.

[CLEV.MR.DTW]

i dont understand u people while u all are talking about toledo akron even cinci.cleveland always been dangerous.these cities is just now making noise cleveland has aLWAYS BEEN ROUGH AND IM FROM CLEVELANDF AN NOW RESIDE IN CINCI BEEN HERE 4 10YRS. STILL ISNT BAD AS CLEVELAND