Should Ohio become right to work state ? (Dayton, Union: layoffs, school)

[hertz]

How do you guys feel about this?

[Daytonnatian]

Probably should happen, but won't with strong union culture.

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[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by hertz

How do you guys feel about this?

NO! No way!

I don't want some unknown to just walk in off the street and say that he can do my job and the boss just has to give it to him. Too many men and women work hard to get where they are, just to have someone walk in off the street and take it away from them. It would cause alot of problems for the employers and the employees.
If people started thinking like that, then they had better start thinking of Socialize Medical coverage across the board and not just for the one that can afford their own and the sorry lazy welfare riders that get it from the taxes we work pay into.

[Daytonnatian]

^How do you think most companies work????

Yes, for most, there is always a risk of that happening, but in many cases senority will be respected. In addition, not ever being connected to a union is a huge asset to many companies, and if you do your job well, it really shouldn't be a concern.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by Daytonnatian

^How do you think most companies work????

Yes, for most, there is always a risk of that happening, but in many cases senority will be respected. In addition, not ever being connected to a union is a huge asset to many companies, and if you do your job well, it really shouldn't be a concern.

Companies just can't can ya at a whim and put someone else in that same job for no reason, that called "Dismissal Without Provocation". If your a good worker, always on time, never call off and your work is at company standards, then they can't just let you go. I feel the same way about unions, they're a waste of time and money, Ohio has plenty of laws to protect the workers now-a-days.

[1watertiger]

its alot harder to get jobs with benefits/medical in right to work states.. and correct me if im wrong, but arent the right-to-work states having the most trouble with illegals cutting wages and draining school/health systems?

[Daytonnatian]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

its alot harder to get jobs with benefits/medical in right to work states.. and correct me if im wrong, but arent the right-to-work states having the most trouble with illegals cutting wages and draining school/health systems?

Correct, and correct.

Still, if you are tied to a union, good luck getting a job in a right-to-work state or at a non-union company in a closed shop state. Non-union businesses greatly fear unions, as they greatly drain competitiveness, so anyone with ties will be passed over.

[South Range Family]

Being a Union State like Ohio doesn't mean that you have to have a Union. It means that if a work group at your company decides to become unionized, everybody in that group joins. It's called a closed shop.

I worked in the right to work State known as Georgia. We were still unionized, but all employees weren't required to join. It was an open shop. The union still negotiated wages, and benefits for all employees. The union was still required by law to represent non members when they screwed up. The union was still required to recognize the non members seniority number when it came time for layoffs.

Non members enjoyed all of the benefits of a union without paying for the costs.

So the real question is, "How would you like new hires to come into your unionized shop, receive all of the benefits, and not pay dues like you are?" Because that is the only thing that would change if Ohio became a right to work State.

Under today's Ohio laws, union workers can choose to remove their union at any time if they are unhappy with the representation. All it takes is a majority vote.

[1watertiger]

what was your local union in ga.? who did it represent?

[South Range Family]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

what was your local union in ga.? who did it represent?

We were the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace workers. They still represent the Lockheed Georgia employees, even though the name has since changed to Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company, and finally to Lockheed Martin.

I'm still a member of the IAM at an airline that is a closed shop. All mechanics at our airline are required to belong to the union. That includes mechanics working in Georgia, North Carolina, and all other right to work States.


I'm not a huge union maniac, but I see what my employer did to our bag smashers when they voted out their union. They forced 20 year full timers to part time, made them work split shifts, slashed pay, and discontinued benefits.

Companies that have unions have done something in the past to deserve those unions.