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Old 09-14-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Millions of people in the New York City metro area are descended from southerners who migrated to New York at the same time Southerners populated southern Ohio.

These New Yorkers of Southern ancestry eat Southern food, say "Y'all" (as opposed to "youse" or "you guys"), and have distinct accents. They make up a significant portion of the population of Harlem, the South Bronx, much of Brooklyn and many of the suburbs, as well as northern New Jersey and Connecticut's urban areas.

So why does no one call New York City a Southern city?
Because those Southerners were never large enough to impact the grander identity or culture of the area. Only their little neighborhoods. Southern states like Georgia and North Carolina similarly don't get enough northerners to dilute their grander Southern culture. Outside of a few north side Atlanta zip codes the Southern confederate culture is everywhere. Florida is different today because the number of Southern "confederate" types were minuscule to begin with and the magnitude of northern and international immigration has created something new.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Cbus
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Portsmouth, Ohio's website touts it is "where Southern hostpitality begins"
Source: Portsmouth Ohio | Where Southern Hospitality Begins

Also blacks were not allowed to swim at the town's pool known as Dreamland as late as the 1960's.

Source: Portsmouth Daily Times | Digging deeper about Dreamland Pool

Scioto County has voted Republican in every presidential election since 1960.

The county has 689 farms spanning 94,342 acres.

So no Southern Ohio is not Southern in the same way Savannah or Charleston might be but it definitely has more in common with Kentucky or West Virginia than the rest of Ohio.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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Because those Southerners were never large enough to impact the grander identity or culture of the area. Only their little neighborhoods. Southern states like Georgia and North Carolina similarly don't get enough northerners to dilute their grander Southern culture. Outside of a few north side Atlanta zip codes the Southern confederate culture is everywhere. Florida is different today because the number of Southern "confederate" types were minuscule to begin with and the magnitude of northern and international immigration has created something new.
Uh, no. Atlanta is the second-Blackest major metro in the country with practically the entire southern part of the core metro being heavily Black, and Gwinnett County is one of the most diverse counties in the entire Southeastern U.S., and you seriously think metro Atlanta has "Southern confederate culture" everywhere????? How ridiculous.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Also blacks were not allowed to swim at the town's pool known as Dreamland as late as the 1960's.
That was not unusual even in the north at that time.

My mother's family grew up outside of Philadelphia. She has a bunch of half cousins who are half-Sicilian. Most of them can get quite tan in the summer time. They were often barred from using the public pool as children. It might be part of the reason why, even though several of them became pretty rabid right wingers, they don't have much tolerance for racism.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Uh, no. Atlanta is the second-Blackest major metro in the country with practically the entire southern part of the core metro being heavily Black, and Gwinnett County is one of the most diverse counties in the entire Southeastern U.S., and you seriously think metro Atlanta has "Southern confederate culture" everywhere????? How ridiculous.
Black people were 50% of the confederacy' population. Black people were quite defining of everything in the confederacy.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Black people were 50% of the confederacy' population. Black people were quite defining of everything in the confederacy.
This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on here, and that's saying A LOT.

First of all, what the hell is "Confederate culture" in the first place????

Saying Black people were quite defining of everything in the Confederacy is like saying Jews were quite defining of Nazism.

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Old 09-14-2016, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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Portsmouth, Ohio's website touts it is "where Southern hostpitality begins"
Source: Portsmouth Ohio | Where Southern Hospitality Begins

Also blacks were not allowed to swim at the town's pool known as Dreamland as late as the 1960's.

Source: Portsmouth Daily Times | Digging deeper about Dreamland Pool

Scioto County has voted Republican in every presidential election since 1960.

The county has 689 farms spanning 94,342 acres.

So no Southern Ohio is not Southern in the same way Savannah or Charleston might be but it definitely has more in common with Kentucky or West Virginia than the rest of Ohio.
I disagree. The vast majority of Southern Ohio is not like Kentucky. Only Southeastern Ohio.
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on here, and that's saying A LOT.

First of all, what the hell is "Confederate culture" in the first place????

Saying Black people were quite defining of everything in the Confederacy is like saying Jews were quite defining of Nazism.
confederate and "southern" are interchangeable. Confederate is a slightly more defined definition of Southern, but they are mostly interchangeable.
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:29 PM
 
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confederate and "southern" are interchangeable. Confederate is a slightly more defined definition of Southern, but they are mostly interchangeable.
THIS. IS. DUMB.

Southern cuisine, music, accents/speech, etc. are what defines Southern culture and they have NOTHING to do with the establishment of the Confederacy itself, which was a short-lived entity that was soundly defeated by the Union. Those cultural elements preceded the Confederacy and continued well afterwards, up until the present day. The Confederacy only existed to PRESERVE SLAVERY, and saying that Black people "define the Confederacy" represents the height of ignorance and is blatantly offensive. You hate Atlanta so much that you're willing to go to great lengths to offend an entire race of people in the process and you should be absolutely ASHAMED of yourself.

What's next, arguing that cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, DC, and Baltimore are "Confederate cities" because they have Black majorities/pluralities whose forebearers came from the South??????

FOH...
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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confederate and "southern" are interchangeable. Confederate is a slightly more defined definition of Southern, but they are mostly interchangeable.
Actually no they're not because the South also consists of states that existed outside the Confederacy.
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