Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year (Columbus: land, best)

[1watertiger]

i guess you can see all the msa and csa talk has struck a nerve.. lol but i fail to see the logic in these ever-changing msa population figues/boundries... to me it can reflect on a city very neg. or positively. and is it just me , or does it seem like the older cities of the great lakes and midwest get the bad rap ?? because to me they are the most interesting and have it all over the newer cities of the south and west. except for weather of course.

[Cincy-Rise]

1watertiger, Hillside's comment of adding NOKY & SEIN is valid. NOKY, especially as a very dense old area that was inhabited by Italians and Germans early on.

NOKY adds 412,820 people. That's a large sample for such a small area. SEIN only adds 78,765.

In Cleveland's defense, you can only remove 4 counties to equal that of Cleveland's.

Assuming the trend continues for the next 5 years:

Cincinnati: 62,765
Cleveland: -44,240

Totals:

Cincinnati: 2,187,869
Cleveland: 2,052,231

Difference: 135,638

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

i guess you can see all the msa and csa talk has struck a nerve.. lol but i fail to see the logic in these ever-changing msa population figues/boundries... to me it can reflect on a city very neg. or positively. and is it just me , or does it seem like the older cities of the great lakes and midwest get the bad rap ?? because to me they are the most interesting and have it all over the newer cities of the south and west. except for weather of course.

1watertiger, I wouldn't worry too much about it! I think people in Cincinnati didn't view Cleveland as a "superior" city like they do Chi-town or Minneapolis 2 years ago, and I don't think Cleveland dropping to "#2" won't effect Cleveland's view (as we see here! lol) of Cincy ... The only thing I would be concerned about would be the population loss. Why do you think people are moving out of the area? Crime, jobs, weather?

but i fail to see the logic in these ever-changing msa population figues/boundries...

MSA's are usually based on an area surrounding a major city. An area will be added to the MSA based on commuting patterns. If a large amount of people (let's say a county) are driving in and out of a city's metro more than likely it will be added. The reason behind this is because that's a cities "true" feel of population difference. Those people will work, play, and eat in the original MSA. You'll see them on your interstates and at your jobs passing by. This is why federal dollars are spent in accordance to the size of a metro and this is also why Dayton and Cincinnati's metro will become one. Personally, me, just one person ... know quite a few people that live in the first and second ring suburbs of Dayton -that work in downtown Cincinnati. Their boundaries have blended and their media sources are fighting for viewership. (personally I'd love to have the DDN over the CE, by the way! )

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

personally I'd love to have the DDN over the CE, by the way!

something we can agree on. the enquirer is a terrible paper. dispatch probably takes the crown in ohio, imo.

[CortlandGirl79]

Apparently you've never read The Plain Dealer or Beacon Journal.

[Ohiogirl81]

I've read 'em all, Cort. They've all got their dysfunction, but IMO the Enquirer wins the booby prize. Stubbornly conservative, and I'd be surprised if any of the reporters there knew how to get to city hall.

[BelieveInCleve]

I dont think any of this really matters. Everybodies stats are different, the metro popoluation of the Cleveland msa that I saw had 2,250,000, maybe it included 1 more county, I dont know. Anyways both the Cleveland area and Cincinnati area are pretty large.

Like the other person said, the thing Im most worried about is that the Cleveland area is losing population. Its pretty obvious that Cleveland and the surrounding areas are the most populated in Ohio and the Cincinnati area is second. Columbus is a distant third.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I dont think any of this really matters. Everybodies stats are different, the metro popoluation of the Cleveland msa that I saw had 2,250,000, maybe it included 1 more county, I dont know. Anyways both the Cleveland area and Cincinnati area are pretty large.

Like the other person said, the thing Im most worried about is that the Cleveland area is losing population. Its pretty obvious that Cleveland and the surrounding areas are the most populated in Ohio and the Cincinnati area is second. Columbus is a distant third.

Forget the newspapers, it's right here Cle440! lol ...
Annual Estimates of the Population for Counties: April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2007

^That's not a newspaper, it's the U.S. Census website!

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

I've read 'em all, Cort. They've all got their dysfunction, but IMO the Enquirer wins the booby prize. Stubbornly conservative, and I'd be surprised if any of the reporters there knew how to get to city hall.

No doubt about anything you've just said! lol. I've read them all too (I'm a subscriber for Google News alerts).

[Traveler87]

If Cleveland could gain Akron/Canton we could show some growth again, and add some more counties in too. Some surrounding Cleveland counties are showing extremely fast growth rates. Due to sprawl, unfortunately. Ohio's metro areas are pretty small in area actually. If we could add cities like Akron/Canton and Dayton to Cleveland and Cincinnati our populations would be much large. Cleveland already over the 3 million mark, and I am sure Cincinnati would be close too.

Columbus has been showing strong growth from 06-07. It grew by 1.1%, making it one of the fastest growing metros in the northern half of the country.