Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year (Akron: house, contractors)

[unusualfire]

Wow i had no idea this would turn like this. I need to make a few observations.

1. Cleveland is budded against a lake. So that automatically forces density to be higher. Cincinnati can sprawl whatever direction like it has with no natural barriers like a great lake. So that would make density less. Now if you would to switch places the built environment would mirrors each other's metro. Now since you can't, you have to take what you have.

2. Someone said driving through one metro feels larger than another? Without going down every major street, alcove or deadend, how could you possibly know that???

3. If Cleveland ever lost another 300k in 20 years. I think some people will still think the metro is larger. lol And the way Cincinnati thinks, if it gained 300k in 20 years they would still think they are smaller. That's just the way people think. Think small, small thinks will happen. Think big, big things will happen.

Also Does any one think the biggest metro in Indiana is Indianapolis? I sure don't. People are just too technical these days.

[ScranBarre]

My gosh! You people really need to pick up a hobby instead of nitpicking one another so fiercely! I've been to Cincinnati before and through Cleveland before. They both seem like awesome cities. Let's leave it at that. Why this incessant arguing over "mine's bigger than yours" is so important to you people is beyond me. Here in Pennsylvania we don't argue over whether Pittsburgh or Philadelphia is better or as to whether NEPA relies more heavily upon Scranton or Wilkes-Barre. Why? We respect each and every city for what they have to offer to make our state great on an individual basis. Without Cleveland, would you have the Drew Carey Show, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, etc.? Without Cincinnati, would you have Skyline Chili or Graeter's Ice Cream? The over-competition between you Clevelanders and you Cincinnatians is QUITE a turn-off. Who cares who's bigger? Take it from my extensive knowledge of random college hook-ups. Size doesn't matter; it's what you do with it!

[QueenCty]

It seems there is some confusion on the metro numbers and what number should be used - here is the link to the census. The population by county link had been given, but this is for the metros, which comes out a little after the county numbers:

Estimates of Population Change for Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Rankings: July 1, 2007 to July 1, 2007

[Traveler87]

^Detroit is showing its first decline in the entire metro area, and that is a sharp decline. Cleveland and Pittsburgh have been showing declines for a while now, but they are slowing down with the new economies coming into play, and more of a influx of people. People also must realize that Cleveland has been showing a decline due to natural decrease, ex. older population. The natural birth rates have been increasing in the area though, being natural increase up with an influx of people into the area. If you will notice, the percentage population loss in the 80s was very steep, but today it is very minimal. You can't just look at raw population loss, and expect to know the full story.

[Mikieo415]

It doesn't really matter what numbers you use, some people will fight you tooth and nail to twist facts and figures to match their Ohio wonderland Agenda. When the raw numbers show bad news some people (err... person) say to look at the big picture. When the big picture is not looking so hot, they say to look at the raw numbers and statistics. This is a never ending battle and these issues will never be properly acknowledged by those who need to see it the most. Well, I would wear horse blinders too if I lived in goo goo gah gah land.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Mikieo415

It doesn't really matter what numbers you use, some people will fight you tooth and nail to twist facts and figures to match their Ohio wonderland Agenda. When the raw numbers show bad news some people (err... person) say to look at the big picture. When the big picture is not looking so hot, they say to look at the raw numbers and statistics. This is a never ending battle and these issues will never be properly acknowledged by those who need to see it the most. Well, I would wear horse blinders too if I lived in goo goo gah gah land.

Here you go again, suprise suprise everyone. Once again you direct it right towards me. Thank you for once again proving me right and yourself in the wrong. Second off, you probaly don't even know what I am talking about, since you get your population projections from the Warren Tribune, and I go to the Census Bureau, plus on the natural increase and raw numbers, college courses do help on that . BTW, fighting tooth and nail??? Where were people fighting?

[BelieveInCleve]

Okay Im kind of confused now. This argument is meaningless. The stats have already been proved on here, look at some of my posts.

Let me spell it out again: The Cincinnati metro has more population than the Cleveland metro, but only because the area it covers is so large. Also if you added up the CSA numbers, Cleveland is a good amount larger than Cincinnati (150,000+). There, case closed. They are both great areas, but people will always believe that Cleveland is the largest in Ohio, and it is right now. Cleveland also has the largest urban core and urban population, along with density.

[WeSoHood]

If it's Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Lorain Metro Area(LOL) it would be much higher than Cinci. I can't imagine Dayton being any further than Canton from Cleveland? Lorain-Cleveland-Mentor is a small part of the North East Ohio.

[unusualfire]

Why can't people just settle for the facts?? The Census says Cleveland has the larger COMBINED STATISTICAL AREA(CSA) of the 2. It always says Cincinnati has the larger METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA(MSA) of the two.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

If it's Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Lorain Metro Area(LOL) it would be much higher than Cinci. I can't imagine Dayton being any further than Canton from Cleveland? Lorain-Cleveland-Mentor is a small part of the North East Ohio.

I believe you are right, Dayton actually might even be closer.