Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year (jobs, crime)

[Cle440]

No I mean stats for proctor & Gamble that shows how much money it made compared to the Cleveland companies. Im sure they have to have some page like that.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

No I mean stats for proctor & Gamble that shows how much money it made compared to the Cleveland companies. Im sure they have to have some page like that.

FORTUNE 500 2007: States - Ohio

[scottie]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Fact is: Old School cities are on the comeback! People are returning to our cities core's again!

Right, thats why in the newest 10 fastest gowing cities, almost all of them were in the sunbelt region. Ex. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Phoenix, Atlanta, Riverside CA. Not exactly old school cities

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by scottie

Right, thats why in the newest 10 fastest gowing cities, almost all of them were in the sunbelt region. Ex. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Phoenix, Atlanta, Riverside CA. Not exactly old school cities

3 Questions:

1) Did I say older cities were the fastest growing cities in the US?
2) Is it not true that we're seeing an increase in urban core growth in our older cities compared to previous years?
3) A city can post growth gains without it's downtown growing, no?

Let me know if I missed something ...

[hillside]

cle440,

i think that list you linked might be a little dated. i don't think there's any way cleveland wins this argument, but as far as cleveland's strengths, i'd go with politics and medicine.

[Cle440]

Cleveland may have once been able to win this argument. We have lost several Fortune 500 and Fortune 1000 companies over the years. I think Standard Oil used to have its headquarters in Cleveland, at one time that would have easily been enough to surpass every company in Cincinnati by a lot. However it moved and merged with BP.

Also the worlds first Billionaire (John D. Rockefeller) grew up and got his start in Cleveland, he also centered most of his business in Cleveland. He is still the wealthiest man that ever lived by far (He would have had $310 Billion of todays dollars).

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Cleveland may have once been able to win this argument. We have lost several Fortune 500 and Fortune 1000 companies over the years. I think Standard Oil used to have its headquarters in Cleveland, at one time that would have easily been enough to surpass every company in Cincinnati by a lot. However it moved and merged with BP.

Standard Oil had a capital of $1 million by 1870
P&G had a capital of $1 million by 1860

Standard Oil is no more, and P&G is about to come out with another revolutionary product soon that's about to create a lot of buzz (whoop-dee-doo) ... btw, P&G is still in Cincinnati and it's still the world's largest advertiser and the world's largest consumer product's company. It works with LPK & Landor (both in Downtown Cincinnati) and bought Gillete for $57 Billion like it's no thang ... oh, and moved a bunch of folks from Boston to Cincy ... and that is why this is relevant now and to the conversation at hand.

Also the worlds first Billionaire (John D. Rockefeller) grew up and got his start in Cleveland, he also centered most of his business in Cleveland. He is still the wealthiest man that ever lived by far (He would have had $310 Billion of todays dollars).

Ted Turner and Donald Trump both got their start in Cincinnati, but that doesn't mean anything now and it sure isn't going to help our economy or population growth, is it?

[Cle440]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Standard Oil had a capital of $1 million by 1870
P&G had a capital of $1 million by 1860

Standard Oil is no more, and P&G is about to come out with another revolutionary product soon that's about to create a lot of buzz (whoop-dee-doo) ... btw, P&G is still in Cincinnati and it's still the world's largest advertiser and the world's largest consumer product's company. It works with LPK & Landor (both in Downtown Cincinnati) and bought Gillete for $57 Billion like it's no thang ... oh, and moved a bunch of folks from Boston to Cincy ... and that is why this is relevant now and to the conversation at hand.

Ted Turner and Donald Trump both got their start in Cincinnati, but that doesn't mean anything now and it sure isn't going to help our economy or population growth, is it?

You have to make your mind up across the board. You were quick to bring up that Cincinnati USED to be the 6th largest, which was back in 1840 (BTW, in 1840 any town over 30k would have made that list, its not saying much)... Thats after I brought up Cleveland which was the 5th largest in 1920, and the 7th largest in 1950, also top 10 until 1970, which is more relevant???

And then when I bring up Standard Oil and John D. Rockefeller (basically the same thing you were doing, but a LOT more recent), then you imply that they are not relevant, and Proctor & Gamble is... YET you brought up that Cincinnati was the 6th largest back in 1840!!! Do you understand what I am saying??? You are simply being a hypocrite.

Anyways, this argument is funny and meaningless lol.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

You have to make your mind up across the board. You were quick to bring up that Cincinnati USED to be the 6th largest, which was back in 1840 (BTW, in 1840 any town over 30k would have made that list, its not saying much)... Thats after I brought up Cleveland which was the 5th largest in 1920, and the 7th largest in 1950, also top 10 until 1970, which is more relevant???

And then when I bring up Standard Oil and John D. Rockefeller (basically the same thing you were doing, but a LOT more recent), then you imply that they are not relevant, and Proctor & Gamble is... YET you brought up that Cincinnati was the 6th largest back in 1840!!! Do you understand what I am saying??? You are simply being a hypocrite.

Anyways, this argument is funny and meaningless lol.

Cle440, what in the hell is wrong with you man!? lol ... it's like you have Alzheimer's!

You brought up the old-school irrelevant facts first ... go see for yourself, page 17... very top!


You're right, bringing up Rockefeller is irrelevant just like Trump and Turner is! So why did you do it? I'm playing off everything you say, if you haven't picked up on that now. What I did say is relevant now, and it is my very last response to P&G and their current position in the economy.

Do you need post #'s for these?

[Cle440]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Cle440, what in the hell is wrong with you man!? lol ... it's like you have Alzheimer's!

You brought up the old-school irrelevant facts first ... go see for yourself, page 17... very top!

You're right, bringing up Rockefeller is irrelevant just like Trump and Turner is! So why did you do it? I'm playing off everything you say, if you haven't picked up on that now. What I did say is relevant now, and it is my very last response to P&G and their current position in the economy.

Do you need post #'s for these?

Did you understand a word that I said. Let me spell this out. lol

I brought up that Cleveland used to be the 5th largest city (1920), thats before any argument started. Then you brought up that Cincinnati was the 6th largest (1840). In that argument, Cleveland is much more relevant. I guess it was okay for you to bring up 160+ year old facts for Cincinnati.

My point is that when I bring up John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil without saying anything else (which is the same thing you did, but not as bad), you bring up Proctor & Gamble and say that what I said is not relevant, but YET you brought up Cincinnati before which was not relevant at all compared to what I was saying about Cleveland. But when I bring up 90+ year old facts for Cleveland you say it is not relevant. Do you understand what I am saying now?

When you bring up 160+ year old "irrelevant" data for Cincinnati, I guess its okay to you. BUT, when I bring up 90+ year old data for Cleveland, its not okay for you. You are being, biased, unfair, and a hypocrite.