Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year

[Yac]

As the discussion heats up, remember to respect each other, ok ?
Yac.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Did you understand a word that I said. Let me spell this out. lol

I brought up that Cleveland used to be the 5th largest city (1920), thats before any argument started. Then you brought up that Cincinnati was the 6th largest (1840). In that argument, Cleveland is much more relevant. I guess it was okay for you to bring up 160+ year old facts for Cincinnati.

My point is that when I bring up John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil without saying anything else (which is the same thing you did, but not as bad), you bring up Proctor & Gamble and say that what I said is not relevant, but YET you brought up Cincinnati before which was not relevant at all compared to what I was saying about Cleveland. But when I bring up 90+ year old facts for Cleveland you say it is not relevant. Do you understand what I am saying now?

When you bring up 160+ year old "irrelevant" data for Cincinnati, I guess its okay to you. BUT, when I bring up 90+ year old data for Cleveland, its not okay for you. You are being, biased, unfair, and a hypocrite.

What does:

Rockefeller
Standard Oil
Cleveland being the 5th largest city in the US

Have to do with 2008? How do any of these points helps Cleveland's growth today?


If your answer is yes, then how? If your answer is no, then why'd you bring them up?

[hillside]

the argument, "cleveland is bigger because it used to be a giant" doesn't work with cincinnati because it too was major at a point in time. whether it's 1840 or 1920, it's not now. the two cities are on different cycles. cinci was 6th biggest in 1840 and bottomed out 50 years later. cleveland was 5th biggest in 1920 and bottomed out 50 years later. btw, cincinnati had 115,435 in 1850. cleveland had 17,034, 848 less folks than columbus.

[hillside]

here's that population link...it's interesting to look at the 1800's top 10 and see what cities were able to overcome their crime and social issues and explode (stl, phila) and what cities were crippled and grew slower (baltimore, boston, cincinnati).

Population of the 100 Largest Cities and Other Urban Places In The United States: 1790 to 1990

[Cle440]

1st of all, this whole argument is a joke. I wasnt being serious about anything, its all just for fun.

Also, Cincy-Rise. I was talking about you, not me. I was saying that you brought up Cincinnati was the 6th largest city (in 1840). I guess that was okay for you, but when I do the same thing you did (bring up Standard Oil) you say that its not relevant, when I was doing the same thing you did, but I guess it was okay for you to do it.

I brought them up to show Clevelands history, and that it used to be even more important and large than it is now. Most people remember that Detroit used to be a giant as far as manufacturing (and still is), and population, and people remember when Detroit was nicer and had jobs, same can be said for Cleveland and its history. As far as why I brought them up, John D. Rockefeller helped Cleveland grow and shaped it to what the city was in its prime, also the size issue, those impacts are still felt in the city, so they are relevant. I was stating what things came from Cleveland. Like I said, it was all in good fun, no offense meant.

[Traveler87]

Lets calm down guys. This thread has had a long history. We wouldn't want it to shut down because of a few arguements.