Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year (Columbus: loft, condos)

[imaterry78259]

Cleveland is No 1 in Ohio but last in Texas

[Isaysos]

Someday Cleveland will grow with Columbus and Columbus with Cincinatti and all of Ohio will be one big metro area. This will probably merge with the Detroit and Chicogo/Indianapolis/Milwaukee metro to and the Bos-NY-Wash to the east. All of the U.S. will be suburban development, with maby a pocket of open space somewhere in Wyoming or Montana.

[OhioDwight]

This is a terrific dynamic that shows just how diversified Ohio is. Indiana has one big city. Illinois has one big city. Pennsylvania has two, but one is east coast. New York only has one big city left. Kentucky has one big city. West Virginia has no big cities. Ontario, the only province which borders the Canadian side of the Great Lakes, has one big city. Michigan has one big city. In Ohio, we're still fortunate enough to squabble about which of our big cities is the biggest.

Originally Posted by wrightflyer

Exactly! All this shows is a lousy "keeping up with the Jones" mentallity which is not something that midwesterners are known to have. Not being pushy, but we aren't suppose to be that east coast elitist. IMHO, I'd be happy in any of the three cities (ok, Cleveland's weather would be a no-no, but that would be it). Both cities have wonderful museums (but Cleveland does have a better orchestra) and both have their love for different sport teams (college and pro). Cinny has a wonderful teaching hospital and children's center. Each has wonderful amusement parks nearby. Both have their new and old money neighborhoods and depressed parts of town. All this goes for Columbus too. Yes, numbers can change and perceptions may shift but everyone should just remember that [insert city name], Ohio is on every mailing address.

[boardmanite]

When comparing CSAs, is Cleveland still significantly larger than Cincinnati?

[Dorian]

I think it is ridiculous to factor in traffic because I live in Pittsburgh and we have some of the worst traffic you will ever see, even worse than some cities that are way larger but that's only because the population is too high for the road system. I have been to Cleveland and the have a very impressive road system that leads to less traffic for the city size. As for comparing the two cities size I did hear that Cincy is set to pass Cleveland but I still don't belive it because alot of areas that really are cleveland aren't counted in it's population and the same could be said about pittsburgh's area which by the MSA and CSA reports is only given western pa. but is really and should include the panhandle of west virgina, extreme south eastern ohio(stubenville is a pittsburgh community), and northwestern maryland. The Cleveland metro area and the Pittsbugh metro area are closer than people think and both suffer because off the rether large size of towns in thier areas such as akron and erie. Cleveland to me is the bigger city and for the exception of Detroit is probably the largest in the area of Ohio, Kentucky, Western half of Pennsylvania, Indiana, Western New York and Michigan.

[Sabinaguy]

Originally Posted by OHBuckeye

But whether Akron and Cleveland are more connected is irrelevant to the fact that the Cincy MSA will be higher than Cleveland MSA when the next set of estimates are released next spring! Whether you think it's fair or not, do you agree that the MSA figures are more widely used and quoted than CSA figures in the national media and lead to more clout for an area?

Also, you are very misinformed if you think that there is "17 miles of nothing" between the Cincy and Dayton suburbs. That may have been true 10 years ago, but it certainly isn't anymore. As 'wrightflyer' and I pointed out, unincorporated townships can and often do have larger populations than incorporated suburbs, and the unincorporated townships between Cincy and Dayton are growing rapidly - to the point where the Cincy and Dayton suburbs have just about grown into each other.

It doesn't matter about population, what matters is that Cincinnati people are friendlier and that going downtown cincy you don't have to worry about getting shot as bad as you would in Cleveland. Cleveland should be called Murderland instead. Cincy may have crime but its not as bad a cleveland so who cares about population, more people doesn't mean ****.

[censusdata]

Alot of Butler and Warren County's growth comes from DAYTON -yet all the growth is attributed to the Cincy Metro Area. This greatly over inflates Cincy's Metro growth and shows the Dayton Metro to be losing population

[The Don]

Originally Posted by censusdata

Alot of Butler and Warren County's growth comes from DAYTON -yet all the growth is attributed to the Cincy Metro Area. This greatly over inflates Cincy's Metro growth and shows the Dayton Metro to be losing population

I sorta think that's the way it works. If someone moves from one CSA to another, the "from" CSA loses that person in its count, the "to" CSA gains that person.

Every year people move from the Cincinnati area to Sarasota Florida. Cincinnati CSA loses population, Sarasota picks them up

[hillside]

i always thought cincinnati architecturally felt more urban and bigger than cleveland, despite the grid system and taller bldgs downtown

[Cincy-Rise]

Here you go, folks ... In a few years:

Cincinnati will have the largest MSA, then Columbus will pass it up and Cleveland will fall to number 3:

The following is a list of projected Midwest Metro population growth (%) from 2000-2020.

Info from the following Metropolitan Area Population Trends Ranking Table

Sioux Falls 43.95%
Lawrence 39.84%
Des Moines 35.80%
Springfield MO 34,64%
Rochester MN 30.99%
Indy 28.99%
Rockford 28.89%
St. Cloud 27.75%
Madison 25.81%
Fargo 24.42%
Appleton 23.58%
Bismarck 23.46%
Elkhart 26.92%
Holland 24.21%
Joplin 24.11%
Omaha 23.93%
Columbia 23.21%
Bloomington IL 22.81%
Kansas City 22.21%
Columbus 21.40%
Lincoln 20.82%
Twin Cities 20.51%
Ann Arbor 19.99%
Monroe 19.45%
Green Bay 18.75%
Iowa City 17.68%
Kankakee 16.65%
Rapid City 16.38%
Cedar Rapids 15.70%
Eau Claire 14.73%
Cincy 14.51%
Janesville 14.39%
Fort Wayne 14.19%
Racine 13.51%
Chicago 13.37%
Lafayette 13.36%
Dubuque 13.27%
Grand Rapids 13.25%
Columbus In 12.61%
Wichita 11.61%
St. Louis 11.37%
Wausau 11.20%
Jefferson City 11.06%
Jackson MI 10.45%
Champaign 9.79%
Muskegon 9.34%
Evansville 7.84%
Osh Kosh 6.85%
Bloomington IN 6.62%
Springfield 6.60%
Topeka 6.38%
Sheboygan 6.05%
Fond Du Lac 5.98%
La Crosse 5.60%
Kalamazoo 4.81%
Peoria 4.31%
Lansing 3.97%
Flint 3.51%
Canton 2.11%
Akron 1.84%
Ames 1.73%
Quad Cities 1.66%
Milwaukee 1.46%
Sioux City 0.88%
South Ben 0.85%
Michigan City 0.59%
Detroit 0.20%
Grand Forks -0.23%
Battle Creek-0.49%
Niles MI -1.00%
Kokomo -2.13%
Duluth -2.64%
Waterloo -2.81%
Dayton -3.14%
Toledo -3.21%
Mansfield -3.26%
Terre Haute -4.54%
Bay City -4.70%
Cleveland -5.43%
Saginaw -5.74%
Sandusky -6.31%
Anderson -6.32%
Springfield OH -6.42%
Danville -7.79%
Youngstown -8.04%
Lima -8.9%
Muncie -13.97%
Decatur -15.00%
Weirton -16.14%