Cincinnati MSA to surpass Cleveland MSA in population this year (Columbus: to live, moving)

[QueenCty]

Interesting numbers - it looks like Columbus is projected to still be about 340,000 less than Cincy in 2020, down from 395,000 less in 2000. This is an increase of 346,000 for Columbus in the same time Cincinnati is projected to increase 292,000. At the respective rates, and if constant as these projections assume they would be, Columbus might pass Cincinnati in the year 2080 or 2100. Of course by then, I think it is safe to say Cleveland-Akron and Cincinnati-Dayton would be one metro. Or the state could be one big metro area...

[Traveler87]

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, sorry if it has, but Cincinnati challenged the census bureau, I believe it was last year. The city's population now sits at over 332,000. It passed up other cities such as Pittsburgh in the process. And since the last census Cincinnati showed a 1,000 person increase since then. Looks like the condo construction and loft conversion going on in Cincinnati is helping with the population increase.

[BelieveInCleve]

The Cleveland-Akron area is basically on metro and has about 3 million people, Cincinnati is just approaching 2.1 million so its nowhere close really. Dayton and Cincinnati are kind of far away to be part of the Cincinnati metro, but if it were the Cincinnati-Dayton area would have around 3 million also. Anyone know how the city of Cleveland is doing as far as population? Ive heard estimates from 410,000 to 500,000.

[jlrosen]

452,000 for cleveland. cleveland MSA is about 2,090,000.


Cleveland and Akron are a CSA but not an MSA.

[1watertiger]

just like cle440 said, cleve/akron is pretty much one metro already. cleve/akron is one of the few exceptions of an area that defines a csa. anyone familiar with n.e.ohio knows the two cities suburbs are already connecting along rt. 8..

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

The Cleveland-Akron area is basically on metro and has about 3 million people, Cincinnati is just approaching 2.1 million so its nowhere close really. Dayton and Cincinnati are kind of far away to be part of the Cincinnati metro, but if it were the Cincinnati-Dayton area would have around 3 million also. Anyone know how the city of Cleveland is doing as far as population? Ive heard estimates from 410,000 to 500,000.

Actually, the last 17 (?) miles of undeveloped land between Cincy and Dayton were purchased and there are plans of development for that site ... so even though the CBD's (Dayton & Cincy) are ~40 miles apart, they will completely be connected. Is this the case with Akron and Cleveland?

This would make the metro 3.1 million people. Regardless, the census is stating that the area would be considered one metro by 2010. This is based on driving patterns.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Cle440

The Cleveland-Akron area is basically on metro and has about 3 million people, Cincinnati is just approaching 2.1 million so its nowhere close really. Dayton and Cincinnati are kind of far away to be part of the Cincinnati metro, but if it were the Cincinnati-Dayton area would have around 3 million also. Anyone know how the city of Cleveland is doing as far as population? Ive heard estimates from 410,000 to 500,000.

Cleveland is sitting at about 444,000. It has shown some decline, which still suprises me. Pittsburgh and Cleveland have been cities that have reinvented themselves over the last decade, and are still seeing declining populations. Cleveland's downtown population though is growing very rapidly. In fact, I believe it is one of the fastest growing in the country. Downtown Cleveland had a population of 7,000 in 1990 and in 2000 was sitting at over 9,000. With all the new condos and downtown living being built in Cleveland, the projected population is going to be over 20,000 by 2010. That is if everything keeps going at the current pace. The Avenue District and some new condos in the Flats District are being built and finishing up, the Pinnacle in the Warehouse District has been finished for a couple of years now. If you just even go to downtown, you can see why the population is growing so fast. All the construction going on, and all the great new projects that are happening downtown.

Here is the official site for the Avenue District in Cleveland: There is also a live webcam, and you can see construction is moving along nicely. I was just in downtown last weekend, this project will look really nice when it is done.

.:: The Avenue District ::.

[censusdata]

Butler County was recently taken out of the Cincinnati Metro area because as many people commute to Dayton as Cinci.

The makes a metro area of 1.7 million, the entire CSA is barely over 2.

It was never fair that all of Butler and Warren Counties growth was attributed in the Cinci Metro in the first place, because alot of the growth is just outside Dayton

Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Cincy-Rise]

censusdata, can you post a link in regards to Butler County not being included in Cincy's MSA?

I can't find anything?

Also, the census uses driving patterns to form a MSA (i.e. FTW & DAL) ... the patterns are already present, now it's up to the census to finalize this. The metros are grown together by I75. Expect a single metro by 2010.




Growth has joined Dayton and Cincinnati into a single cityBy Lynn Hulsey and Lawrence Budd
e-mail address: lynn_hulsey@coxohio.com
Dayton Daily News

The satellite photo says it best.

Dayton and Cincinnati are rapidly growing together in a rush of housing, retail and commercial development across Warren and Butler counties. Anyone who's driven along Interstate 75 south from Dayton has caught glimpses of the shifting construction, jobs and people.

But from a satellite 515 miles above Earth, the view of the change occurring in southwest Ohio is more pronounced.

Dayton and Cincinnati are no longer separate cities. Neither is Hamilton or Middletown. The rush to the middle during the past decade linked them with subdivisions, industrial parks and shopping centers that have overrun municipal boundaries and the ways we've always defined our cities.




• Contact Lynn Hulsey at (937) 225-7455 or e-mail her at lynn_hulsey@coxohio.com. Contact Lawrence Budd at (513) 932-6776. Staff writer Dale Dempsey contributed to this report.

[From the Dayton Daily News: 10.28.2001]

[censusdata]

A Cincinnati-Dayton CSA would
---have < 4% population growth per census
---barely be bigger than the St Louis CSA
--- and less total growth than the Lexington (KY) Metro Area (by itself).

A Louisville/ Lexington CSA would have a 15% 10 year growth rate

The Dallas/ Ft Worth comparisons are hillarious!