How bad is the Racism in Oklahoma? (Noble, Marlow: job, houses)

[TimC2462]

I can almost guarantee that those who have used the term Oriental to refer to Asians simply didn't know any better. It doesn't mean they are racist.
I'm of Korean ancestry and I didn't understand what was so offensive about being called Oriental until I read up about it on Wikipedia just 5 minutes ago. Being born and raised in California, I had the privilege to learn about proper manners during my visit to South Korea for the first time. Talk about culture shock! Koreans there understood that I didn't know much about their culture after discovering that I was born in California.

I haven't visited Oklahoma, but I can certainly say that I've seen racism in the diverse state of California.

The best you can do is inform them that the term can be considered offensive. Most folks are open minded if you approach them in a respectful manner.

Tim C.

[Brother E]

How bad is racism in Oklahoma is tantamount to asking how bad is racism in America. Racism is not usually agressive when the dominant culture doesn't feel threatened. In other words, when any minority seeks to be accepted by assimilating past the point of recognition they usually don't experience agressive overt racism. However, when any minority assumes a posture that appears to be threathening to the dominant culture (such as not living up to historically imposed stereotypes) then actions to "put you in your place are put in motion. Oklahoma has two major cities: Oklahoma City and Tulsa. The question to ask is where do most minorities in these two metropolitan areas live predominantly. What is the median income of these minorities. What positions of influence do they hold? What percentage of commerce do these minorities own, manage and control. For example, most African Americans in OKC live in the Northeast part of the city, in Tulsa most African Americans live in the North part of the city. In Tulsa, the cities major growth takes place on the South side of the city. Where do most caucasians live in Tulsa? Take a guess. The racism in Oklahoma is both covert and overt. Many companies relocate to Oklahoma because it is an employer friendly state where racism is near to impossible to prove, yet clearly exists. However, the state, city, and county governments are overwhemlingly causcasian, subsequently, all laws are written, enforced and interpreted by caucasians. The Oklahoma 'howdy" at best is a traditional projection without substantial true friendliness. The Oklahoman who professes to be Christian is usually more republican than Christian and demonstrates a concept of Christianity that has been historically silent in the sight of oppression against minorities. Have you any knowledge of Tulsa 1921? Oklahoma does have a history of Black townships: Boley, Taft, etc. Should you really want to know how racist Oklahoma is you may want to visit these townships and find out what happened to them.
Invariably racism like any other injustice hates to be exposed. When racism is exposed the racist mindset immediately resorts to dismissing the exposer as some malcontent, militant, non-conformist who is looking for trouble. The racist mindset will always look for a minority poster child to promote theirpoint of view. They will always point out a few minorities that have some measure of their perceived success. The minority spokesperson for the racist mindset is usually content with some so-called position of authority, or some other payoff that rubs the belly and keeps them mentally subdued.
In closing, racism has no impact on those who are sold out to God. Trust God. To say that racism doesn't exist is like saying cancer does not exist. Anything that is contrary to the life God has ordained for all to live cannot stand against them who have unwavering trust in Him.

[redbird4848]

I just want to add I saw azriverfan's original post (prior to editing) with the misinformation on Native Americans in Oklahoma. Or I should say azriver's perceptions of Native Americans in Oklahoma.

You are way off the mark. In fact, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

There are a lot of Indian communities with a lot cultural events that are never broadcast and in fact there are no non-Indians invited to some of the ceremonies. We have learned to keep our sacred ceremonies hidden from the general public.

There is a whole world that you are unaware of, and in fact, most non-Indians are not aware of, and further I don't think you realize how closely we cherish our heritage. If you spent your time in OKC, its no wonder your perceptions are skewed. You need to travel behind the buckskin curtain.

I am not going to say anything more other than there are tribes in AZ along the mexican border you probably have no knowledge of, even though you are from that state.

I am not even going to address some of the other points you raised. Clearly, you were not privy to much of Native American culture during your stay in OKC, or wherever you stayed.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

.............. there are tribes in AZ along the mexican border you probably have no knowledge of, even though you are from that state.............

You mean there is more to Yaqui culture than Carlos Castaneda?

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by Brother E

In other words, when any minority seeks to be accepted by assimilating past the point of recognition they usually don't experience agressive overt racism. However, when any minority assumes a posture that appears to be threathening to the dominant culture (such as not living up to historically imposed stereotypes) then actions to "put you in your place are put in motion.

This sounds pretty good. It really does not apply in Oklahoma, sorry......I'm not buying it.

Originally Posted by Brother E

Oklahoma has two major cities: Oklahoma City and Tulsa. The question to ask is where do most minorities in these two metropolitan areas live predominantly. What is the median income of these minorities. What positions of influence do they hold? What percentage of commerce do these minorities own, manage and control. For example, most African Americans in OKC live in the Northeast part of the city, in Tulsa most African Americans live in the North part of the city. In Tulsa, the cities major growth takes place on the South side of the city. Where do most caucasians live in Tulsa? Take a guess.

There is a LOT of growth taking place in north Tulsa and far north Tulsa, and you are finding a substantial mixed race population in that area. You are also getting a LOT of mixed race residents in south and east Tulsa. Bixby and Jenks and Broken Arrow and Union school districts have sizable minority populations.

Originally Posted by Brother E

The racism in Oklahoma is both covert and overt. Many companies relocate to Oklahoma because it is an employer friendly state where racism is near to impossible to prove, yet clearly exists.

Nonsense. "Clearly exists"???????????? If it were clear, then it would be easy to prove, not impossible.

Originally Posted by Brother E

However, the state, city, and county governments are overwhemlingly causcasian, subsequently, all laws are written, enforced and interpreted by caucasians.

You make jumps of logic (or illogic, as the case may be) that is totally unsupportable.

Originally Posted by Brother E

The Oklahoma 'howdy" at best is a traditional projection without substantial true friendliness.

Don't be ridiculous. there are so many "proofs" that proves otherwise that this is one of the more absurd comments to make.

Originally Posted by Brother E

The Oklahoman who professes to be Christian is usually more republican than Christian and demonstrates a concept of Christianity that has been historically silent in the sight of oppression against minorities.

And this is why the predominate amount of local officials, outside of Tulsa and OKC are Democrat? This is why Tulsa's Mayor is Democrat? This is why the Governor is Democrat?

Originally Posted by Brother E

Have you any knowledge of Tulsa 1921? Oklahoma does have a history of Black townships: Boley, Taft, etc.

Don't forget Langston..........and yes, I know quite well the history of the Tulsa riots and I am more than familiar with many of the black townships. I also know the Cherokee and Osage and Creek and Seminole and Choctaw and Chickasaw communities, and their history and their attitudes.

Originally Posted by Brother E

Should you really want to know how racist Oklahoma is you may want to visit these townships and find out what happened to them.

Pretty much the same thing that has happened to all the small towns throughout the state.

Originally Posted by Brother E

Invariably racism like any other injustice hates to be exposed. When racism is exposed the racist mindset immediately resorts to dismissing the exposer as some malcontent, militant, non-conformist who is looking for trouble.

No, what those of us who do study the sociology and trends in an area do is look at the facts, without rancor or bias, and try to determine exactly what the situation is. Reporting without bias is the goal.

Originally Posted by Brother E

The racist mindset will always look for a minority poster child to promote theirpoint of view. They will always point out a few minorities that have some measure of their perceived success. The minority spokesperson for the racist mindset is usually content with some so-called position of authority, or some other payoff that rubs the belly and keeps them mentally subdued.

So all examples of successful integration are aberrations? Some sort of Uncle Tom that proves the reverse of what they are examples of? Tell that to the successful minority and they will tell you that they made it on their own merits. That they earned their position, not because of race or despite race, but because they persevered and utilized their talents and skills to succeed. The real racist is the minority who claims that examples of minority success were aberrations based on tokenism rather than individual talent, skill, education, and hard work. I dare you to tell J C Watts that his election and re-election to Congress was a result of racist tokenism. I can guarantee you there will be an argument.

Originally Posted by Brother E

In closing, racism has no impact on those who are sold out to God. Trust God. To say that racism doesn't exist is like saying cancer does not exist. Anything that is contrary to the life God has ordained for all to live cannot stand against them who have unwavering trust in Him.

Whatever.............

[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by Brother E

To say that racism doesn't exist is like saying cancer does not exist.

I never heard anyone anywhere say racism does not exist in Oklahoma or any other state. There will always be ignorant individuals who look down their noses at others who are different. And I don't mean ignorant as in uneducated.

Originally Posted by Brother E

Anything that is contrary to the life God has ordained for all to live cannot stand against them who have unwavering trust in Him.

Nice viewpoint unless one is atheist or agnostic. Is that muslim extremist or southern conservative republican free will baptist?

[n8tiv_okie]

BrotherE, I say you're 100% wrong.
Racism is wrong, period. No matter what RACE does it.

Laws are laws, no matter WHO makes them.

Reverse racism is more predominant these days, so how do you explain that?

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

DOH! We stand corrected. Will everyone please take their posts back. Did you mean to say, "To be INtolerant of a race..."

Can a person be prejudiced without being racist?

......Yes there is a notable different between the two...prejudices
and racism....Racists use Racism to dehumanize oppress and control
another race of people........

rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] –noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

prej·u·dice ˈprɛdʒədɪs [prej-uh-dis] noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
–noun
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.
–verb (used with object)
6. to affect with a prejudice, either favorable or unfavorable: His honesty and sincerity prejudiced us in his favor.
—Idiom
7. without prejudice, Law. without dismissing, damaging, or otherwise affecting a legal interest or demand.
[Origin: 1250–1300; ME < OF < L praejūdicium prejudgment, orig. preliminary or previous judicial inquiry, equiv. to prae- pre- + jūdicium legal proceedings, judging (jūdic-, s. of jūdex judge + -ium -ium)]

Source: Dictionary.com

......So this thread is still going on and on and on there is no country state city town or village that doesn't have racism in it.Oklahoma ,Texas New Mexico and Arizona are (Southwest States) and not (Deep Southern)
States who struggle with the issue of Racism the most.The only state in the Southwestern Region of the country where a person will most likely have Racism Concerns is rural (Texas) and don't let anyone on this forum tell you anything different the Last Black Men Lynched In AMERICA Was In Texas somewhere around Jasper Texas In Late 1998 or Early 1999. the
Urban area of the Southwestern States are safe the big Texas Cities OKC
Tulsa , Albuquerque , Tucson , Phoenix etc.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

......So this thread is still going on and on and on there is no country state city town or village that doesn't have racism in it.Oklahoma ,Texas New Mexico and Arizona are (Southwest States) and not (Deep Southern)
States who struggle with the issue of Racism the most.The only state in the Southwestern Region of the country where a person will most likely have Racism Concerns is rural (Texas) and don't let anyone on this forum tell you anything different the Last Black Men Lynched In AMERICA Was In Texas somewhere around Jasper Texas In Late 1998 or Early 1999. the
Urban area of the Southwestern States are safe the big Texas Cities OKC
Tulsa , Albuquerque , Tucson , Phoenix etc.

This is a very good post Howest. And while Oklahoma and TX definitely have southern elements to them (speech, food, overall culture) they are not like the Deep South at all when it comes to racism. Obviously, their are idiots everywhere and thus it follows that racism occurs everywhere.

[DRvortec]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

I am sure getting tired of all the Eskimos we are getting around here........it isn't that I mind them so much, it's those igloos shining in the summer sun that gets to me.......

Flew over my head? Was it a white joke?