Oklahoma City - The new standard? (Howe, Rocky Mountain: sales, insurance, credit)

[tookey]

Originally Posted by VIVAGIRL

Standard of what? Meth lab quality production sites? How to avoid cleaning your streets and hwys? Everything NOT to do to make your city attractive? Been to a lot of major cities throughout the country, and to say that Oklahoma City does not even begin to approach is to really put it mildly.

Here we go again. Okla bashing chapter 2

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by VIVAGIRL

Standard of what? Meth lab quality production sites? How to avoid cleaning your streets and hwys? Everything NOT to do to make your city attractive? Been to a lot of major cities throughout the country, and to say that Oklahoma City does not even begin to approach is to really put it mildly.

Figure 1. Percentages of Persons Aged 12 or Older Reporting Past Year Methamphetamine Use, by State: 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005


I think it's silly to say that any city is a standard for anything. Every city has negative points like crime, trash, meth-users, etc. as well as positive points, like weather, good schools, etc. Everyone should move to where they are happiest. But then, that would make too much sense, wouldn't it? ......

[irishlover]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

Figure 1. Percentages of Persons Aged 12 or Older Reporting Past Year Methamphetamine Use, by State: 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005


I think it's silly to say that any city is a standard for anything. Every city has negative points like crime, trash, meth-users, etc. as well as positive points, like weather, good schools, etc. Everyone should move to where they are happiest. But then, that would make too much sense, wouldn't it? ......

You realize 2009-2005 = 4 years, right? Come back with some recent statistics and then it could be interesting.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by png22

Are you - are you serious? Really? I just .. I don't have words.

I don't think cities like Chicago and Boston and L.A. and Seattle and New York and Portland and San Francisco and D.C. and Miami (major cities) really give OKC much thought. And I live here and I think its all right.

I am consistently and constantly blown away by the amount of state pride - and the amount of city pride - that Oklahomans have. Does no one realize that Oklahoma is ranked with Arkansas in the minds of most U.S. citizens? Especially those who have not been here? And the state, while not bad at all, is hardly "world-class" in any of its offerings. That is not surprising or a negative, really - but it is shocking to me that few Okies seem to realize that. Overly healthy self-image, if it were a dictionary word, would have a picture of Oklahoma next to it.

Like or not Oklahoma City has come a long way since it tried to ban the movie, "The Tin Drum" in 1999.

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by irishlover

You realize 2009-2005 = 4 years, right? Come back with some recent statistics and then it could be interesting.

Yes, I realize 2009-2005 equals 4 years. I also realize most statistics are only as accurate as those who are reporting it. Like crime stats are inaccurate because a lot of crime goes unreported and not all agencies report their statistics. BTW, I deal with tweakers on a daily basis.

I think the Oklahoma meth laws made it more difficult to buy the ingredients to manufacture. But there is a lot of meth coming in from Mexico. And as usual a lot of Traffickers making their way across OK's interstates. Off topic, I know, but when you hear people say Oklahoma is the meth capitol of the US a million times, sometimes you gotta throw in a source.

You are right, those stats aren't interesting because they are four years old.

[irishlover]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

Yes, I realize 2009-2005 equals 4 years. I also realize most statistics are only as accurate as those who are reporting it. Like crime stats are inaccurate because a lot of crime goes unreported and not all agencies report their statistics. BTW, I deal with tweakers on a daily basis.

I think the Oklahoma meth laws made it more difficult to buy the ingredients to manufacture. But there is a lot of meth coming in from Mexico. And as usual a lot of Traffickers making their way across OK's interstates. Off topic, I know, but when you hear people say Oklahoma is the meth capitol of the US a million times, sometimes you gotta throw in a source.

You are right, those stats aren't interesting because they are four years old.

I agree, statistics can be very misleading, I was really just feeling bold. You know what they say, 78% of statistics are made up!

[irishlover]

Originally Posted by tookey

Here we go again. Okla bashing chapter 2

I do think VIVA whatever's broad brushed, vague statement doesn't really serve a purpose other than to point out that she has ill will to OKC (she has posted other, more factual critiques in other threads) but I do NOT agree that these forums should be filled with only positive, "peaches and cream" remarks, as I have said previously.

Critiques should be presented within a factual framework by those who are knowledgeable of the respective area they are critiquing. Those who have spent a few days visiting a city, for work or pleasure, can't begin to describe or critique a city from more than a shallow perspective.

My point is that folks participating in the forum have every right to call someone out for making unjustified, false remarks in one of these threads or even if they just disagree. But please, don't ask people to move on just because they don't think your city is the bees knees.

[okcpulse]

Originally Posted by irishlover

I do think VIVA whatever's broad brushed, vague statement doesn't really serve a purpose other than to point out that she has ill will to OKC (she has posted other, more factual critiques in other threads) but I do NOT agree that these forums should be filled with only positive, "peaches and cream" remarks, as I have said previously.

Critiques should be presented within a factual framework by those who are knowledgeable of the respective area they are critiquing. Those who have spent a few days visiting a city, for work or pleasure, can't begin to describe or critique a city from more than a shallow perspective.

My point is that folks participating in the forum have every right to call someone out for making unjustified, false remarks in one of these threads or even if they just disagree. But please, don't ask people to move on just because they don't think your city is the bees knees.

People don't have to like Oklahoma City. No one is asking anyone of that. But if you are going to critique, do so in an educated, cordial and adult manner.

I could let my son know that he made a mistake, and offer insight as to where he can improve and then encourage him to improve.

Or, I could tell him he f**king sucks at what he does and his useless efforts are a waste of time. This is how people critique Oklahoma. And you wonder why we have to defend ourselves the way we do.

[okcpulse]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

Like or not Oklahoma City has come a long way since it tried to ban the movie, "The Tin Drum" in 1999.

FYI Oklahoma City did not try to ban "The Tin Drum". OCAF tried (Oklahomans for Children and Families), which caught so much heat in OKC that they are now disbanded.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by okcpulse

FYI Oklahoma City did not try to ban "The Tin Drum". OCAF tried (Oklahomans for Children and Families), which caught so much heat in OKC that they are now disbanded.

Nevertheless, you in no way can get out of saying that Oklahoma City played an important role in banning "The Tin Drum", like when Oklahoma City police went to video stores to confiscate copies without even so much as a warrent.