Good OK land (Tulsa, Owasso, Claremore: home, advertise, move)

[JDGreen]

What section of NE or SE OK has the best land for gardening and grazing a few cattle?

[peggydavis]

I don't know the answer to that question. The best land for gardening or raising cattle is bottom land, and the worst is rocky hills. Both occur in SE and NE Oklahoma.

[JDGreen]

Thanks, I've been told to check out the Chouteau area.

[peggydavis]

Sounds good. You can probably find a nice place to garden and raise cattle just about anywhere in eastern OK. My garden spot is flat but is pretty rocky, so I use raised beds.

[jessaka]

Parts of Tahlequah just south of Chouteau are rocky. I am not putting in raised beds, I am actually picking out rocks to use in the driveway. Tedious. I asked a woman at the local Garden Club why her soil was so wonderful. Well, she picked out rocks and then kept adding mulch. Even with all the rocks things grow well. Don't know how rocky your soil is Peggy.

The have cattle in Tahlequah area too. It depends upon what area you like. Tahlequah, at least the town is in a valley--somewhat. Chouteau is more open.

[peggydavis]

My soil is a thin layer of sandy loam (about 2-3 inches) above a pretty solid sandstone. That is not the best place to cultivate, but that is what I have. We are more up on a hill, but not the highest elevation around us. It would be good for grazing cattle, because the bermuda grass grows great in my garden in the spaces between the raised beds.

If I were to pick out land for cattle and gardening, I would be in a valley between hills. Not so close to a creek that flooding was possible, but in a place with deeper soil, even if it had a few rocks in it. I think there are a lot of those places available in smaller acreages.

[JDGreen]

Thanks for the info. I'm just gonna' have to spend about a month in the area between Springfield MO and Tulsa OK looking for a spot but would like to gather info and opinions before I arrive.

I was in MO last May and received many e-mails about OK so it sparked my interest. I presently live in South America so just can't jump in a car and check it out, but will be returning in Dec. or Jan.

Here is a good tip for anyone that has really rocky soil and gardening is difficult
EarthBox - Home

[Goodpasture]

Bixby, south of Tulsa, is considered the garden spot of the state. There are several truck farms, and two or three farmer stores. The Choteau area is also good, but it is primarily ranch land. There are quite a few Amish in that area so competition for farming/gardening land there is tough. East of the Choteau area you will find small valleys where there is some soil, but mostly they are flint hills......you would need to import dirt and use a diamond tipped tiller. The area from Inola to Claremore has decent soil, as does the area north of Tulsa in the Owasso/Collinsville area.

[jessaka]

tell me about those flint hills. lol. i have one in my front yard and don't know if i could plant anything there or not. my husband took a pick ax to break up one area to plant two apple trees. i am not sure how that will go. bermuda grass grows fine.

wherever you think you want to move check out the soil somehow. bring a shovel.

[Kurt]

There is very good pasture land in South Delaware county and Mayes County just north and west of Spavinaw. It is really cheap, too. I saw 185 acres advertised for about 800 an acre. It is not too far from Grand Lake. You should check with realtors in Jay or Pryor. I also know of good pasturage just west and north of Vinita, which is about 23 miles from Grand Lake. I think that is pretty inexpensive, too, and it is not that far from shopping. Vinita has a Super Walmart--Woo! Woo! Seriously, I saw some nice beef cattle grazing. There are some hills with rock outcropings mixed in. If you just had a few head you could pick up some of the hillier stuff. If you sit in a creek or river bottom you will pay more. You know the type of stuff I speak of--dotted with juniper or cedar trees but some good grass land intermixed with water table not too far down. The stuff around Spavinaw is more wooded and the soil looks really good. I saw them growing forage crops--hay grass and such.