Oklahoma should be proud!! (Tulsa: motel, wages, jobs)

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Originally Posted by redbird4848

Good point. I understand the concept of the immigration bill, I am only asking for clarification. When, where and how does it happen? Who goes after them? Is there going to be "illegal-busters" task force? Round up the landlords and CEO's of factories and stick them in county jails with the meth heads and DUI''s?

I don't see any landlord or employer going to jail. They will most likely be fined-hit em where it hurts! *their pocket books.

I appreciate the happiness over finally getting the immigration law to pass, but I advise the "Illegal-free" party planners to wait and see how it goes. A lot of bills are passed and a lot of laws are in words, but not enforced.

And I am sure more than one politican will use the bill passage as a means to get more votes. "See? I voted yes on the immigration bill!"

I think it will be more or less as Jammie described from the Police Captain redbird. It's not going to be an illegal busters task force. They will be prosecuting these people as they run across them. As far as the illegal busters task force, I wouldn't have any problem with that. But it's not necessary. I think many of the pro-illegal crowd have this mistaken belief that we want to deport all illegal aliens overnight. It took 20-25+ years for them to get here, and if it takes that long for them to self deport and go back to their home countries then so be it. If it takes 100 years, that's fine, but we have to start somewhere. It's just not healthy for this country to continue taking in everyone en mass without having control over the process.

And as for throwing CEOs and factory owners in jail with meth heads and crack addicts - I say enforce the laws and once a couple of these employers show up in jail along with the crack addicts and meth heads, I'll be you will see a lot of employers falling into line with the law. If they don't, then I guess we need to put all factory owners and employers in jail and let their successors continue with the legacy. If you know the consequences of a law, and openly disobey it, you deserve to spend time behind bars. People like that are damaging our society more than the occasional crack addict and meth head by bringing in more of the same so they can make easy cash. To let them do otherwise is plain and simple anarchy; something prevalent in third world countries. I don't want this country to end up like a third world country.

As for the law and seeing how it goes, I'm sure we'll all be watching and pulling for what we believe is the right thing to do. It's also understandable that people who are against illegal immigration are excited and they're speaking up about but it doesn't mean they are ignorant of the challenges and obstacles. But from my perspective, it is good to see something being done; something that is in no way racist or hateful, but merely an attempt to enforce the laws of our country - the laws that every other country on this planet has in this regard.

Besides, we all know that most of the pro-illegal crowd will shop this around to a sympathetic judge and it will go through the court system for years and years. So be it, that is the only tool we have available. I'm not going to back down on what I believe just because someone says, "it will be challenged." That's where my question come into play about us being such a defeatist nation. People can tell me all day "you can't do it," or "it will be difficult and expensive." That will only make me try harder and scratch my head in confusion wondering as to their true motivations. They believe they are entitled to have an entire sub-class in this country that has to work for pennies on the dollar and are exploiting these people more so than anyone - yet they hide behind chants of racist and xenophobe aimed at people who support laws that do not have anything to do with race. Just because the majority of the offenders are of a singular ethnicity or from one main country of origin, does not make a law racist.

As they would say when I was a kid, "Usually he who smelt it dealt it."

As for the politician saying "yes, I voted on the immigration bill!" I hope that more who do so will speak out and let the ones who are quiet stand out so we can see them a little better.

The bottom line is there is absolutely nothing about this bill that can be construed as racist or in some cases I've heard it being called "ethnic cleansing." By these people's standards, if 90 percent of all drunk drivers were of Russian or Argentinian descent (take your pick), then it would be racist to pass or enforce laws against drunk driving because you're targeting a specific minority.

But all you hear day after day from those who want cheap labor and to change the demographics of this country over night is "You are just hiding behind the law because you are racist." Sure, there are probably a lot of racists that agree with this law, but if those racists were also for laws against drunk drivers it doesn't mean the law is wrong, only that some people's motivations for enforcing a good law are less than pure.

Wow, I've gone on. Time to exit stage left!

[Choctaw2]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out

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I'm so proud of Oklahoma!! I hope all of the states follow your lead. It seems that is the only way the illegal issue is going to be solved. For sure the US Fed government is doing nothing to rid the US of these illegal aliens.

[mkfarnam]

Right now Illegals have more of an option other than thier Home Country. I think the Illegals will start moving to the sanctuary Cities and states like California, Texas, Chicago. Eventually this country will end up being segragated.
But that's my opinion.

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True, but if the initiative in Oklahoma gains ground, eventually they will return to their home countries. I think it has boiled down to the states taking care of their own, and the ones that sell-out to cheap labor and profits over enforcement of the law have and will become segregated from the other states.

On the subject of segregation though; this country is already VERY segregated. In each of the cities, especially sanctuary ones, segregation is very evident. Entire communities are relegated to "little cuba," "little mexico," and so on.

There is a racial divide in this country and all over the world. It will probably exist as long as mankind. I love people of all races, and color of skin or ethnicity matters not to me. What matters most to me are values and how you treat individuals on a person by person basis.

[Choctaw2]

Albuquerque is a sanctuary city much to my dismay. the police hands are tied.

[mkfarnam]

I here "Dallas,Tx and San Francisco,Ca, are too

[Blue Skies]

As a Californian who soon hopes to move to Oklahoma, I want to say how impressed I am with how your State has handled this law.

MANY of us in So. Cal. know first hand how out of control immigration affects us financially.

I wish my State had the courage to do what you did, but it will never happen.

We now have a state sales tax of 7.75% and our top income tax rate is 9.3% on top earners. We should be one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and yet we are not. The huge cost of social services, education, welfare, Medical (our state version of Medicaid) is enormous.

My grandparents were immigrants. They came to Ellis Island around 1920 from Norway. They had to have a sponsor at that time, the Lutheran church, to prove they would be employed and not a burden to society. I know they only spoke Norweigan when they came here, but were fluent in English within 2 years. My Dad said that he was NEVER allowed to speak Norweigen unless at home or church, but never in school or public. "We are Americans now" Grandpa would say.

I have some letters that my Grandfather wrote to his brother in Oslo, Norway in the late 1920s, saying "Come To America - it is the land of dreams. Anyone with a strong back and good work ethic can make something of themselves". He loved this country!

Most of my Dads family came from either Norway or Denmark in the 20's and 30's, and to my knowledge all were here legally.

Does anyone know or remember when illegal immigration became so prevalent? When did we as a country stop enforcing the laws?

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies

As a Californian who soon hopes to move to Oklahoma, I want to say how impressed I am with how your State has handled this law.

MANY of us in So. Cal. know first hand how out of control immigration affects us financially.

I wish my State had the courage to do what you did, but it will never happen.

We now have a state sales tax of 7.75% and our top income tax rate is 9.3% on top earners. We should be one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and yet we are not. The huge cost of social services, education, welfare, Medical (our state version of Medicaid) is enormous.

My grandparents were immigrants. They came to Ellis Island around 1920 from Norway. They had to have a sponsor at that time, the Lutheran church, to prove they would be employed and not a burden to society. I know they only spoke Norweigan when they came here, but were fluent in English within 2 years. My Dad said that he was NEVER allowed to speak Norweigen unless at home or church, but never in school or public. "We are Americans now" Grandpa would say.

I have some letters that my Grandfather wrote to his brother in Oslo, Norway in the late 1920s, saying "Come To America - it is the land of dreams. Anyone with a strong back and good work ethic can make something of themselves". He loved this country!

Most of my Dads family came from either Norway or Denmark in the 20's and 30's, and to my knowledge all were here legally.

Does anyone know or remember when illegal immigration became so prevalent? When did we as a country stop enforcing the laws?

It has become increasingly prevalent in the last 27 years or so. I think the biggest part began when Reagan offered amnesty to the several million who were here in the 80s. I'm glad to see Oklahoma step up as well. There's nothing that says more than people from states such as California telling us the sorry state California is in these days. California is literally being taken over with corrupt politicians and business people who are forcing this social engineering down the throats of an entire populace.

[jessaka]

I am proud of this government in Oklahoma too. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, whether it works or not. I suppose there are a lot of job openings now that many have left OK, but I wonder if they will be filled? Will Americans, if paid the right amount of money, work at these jobs or not?

It bothered me when i read somewhere that this law shows that Oklahomans are racists. I don't believe that we are, not that some aren't, but this isn't a racists issue, it is an immigration issue. I have a feeling that the police will enforce the laws even though they say they won't be going out of their way to look.

I heard of something else in the news, but I forgot where it was, and it said that in Tulsa there is a place where they have taken illegal Thai's to work in the fields. These people can't get away and can't speak English. Now that bothers me a lot.

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Originally Posted by jessaka

I am proud of this government in Oklahoma too. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, whether it works or not. I suppose there are a lot of job openings now that many have left OK, but I wonder if they will be filled? Will Americans, if paid the right amount of money, work at these jobs or not?

It bothered me when i read somewhere that this law shows that Oklahomans are racists. I don't believe that we are, not that some aren't, but this isn't a racists issue, it is an immigration issue. I have a feeling that the police will enforce the laws even though they say they won't be going out of their way to look.

I heard of something else in the news, but I forgot where it was, and it said that in Tulsa there is a place where they have taken illegal Thai's to work in the fields. These people can't get away and can't speak English. Now that bothers me a lot.

Can you point to a source jessaka? I'd be interested to find out if this is true or if it is something spread as an ugly rumor. If they are here illegally, deport them but I don't think it's right to force them into labor camps.