Oklahoma should be proud!! (May: wage , rental, jobs)

[Jammie]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

When your business model includes a plan for breaking the law, you should plan for a disruption sooner or later..........

Very good point. There is an alternative to this~we can do as we've done in the past. We can hire people with green cards. Those are the peaceful people who come here legally to make a few $$ and then go back home when their time is up. Many of them are patiently waiting in line to become U.S. citizens and they've been pushed to the end of the line because of the non law-abiding intruders.

[Synopsis]

The argument by many of the folks who are pro-illegal immigration is "where will employers find people for these jobs?" They'll find them where they always had, and if there is a period of time where it's bad for the employer and the consumer, so be it. I'll pay higher for chicken and lettuce if I have to until things get back to normal. We got ourselves into this mess and it'll be a bit painful while we pull out the arrow and bandage the wound. But, we will heal and be better for it. Goodpasture made an excellent point earlier, and so have you Jammie. Happy Birthday Oklahoma!

[peggydavis]

From an employer's point of view, the question is competitive pricing. Take the example of the plant nursery in Oklahoma. The costs of labor are going to go up, because he will pay more for less work. Sorry, but that is the truth. Now he will have to charge higher prices for his plants. Will people pay higher prices for Oklahoma plants or will they buy cheaper plants from Arkansas? They will buy plants from Arkansas. Arkansas and other states are not doing anything about illegals so we are just spitting in the wind.

I am not pro illegal immigration, but there are a lot of problems that people are overlooking. I think it has to be addressed at the national level, but we only have gridlock in Congress.

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

From an employer's point of view, the question is competitive pricing. Take the example of the plant nursery in Oklahoma. The costs of labor are going to go up, because he will pay more for less work. Sorry, but that is the truth. Now he will have to charge higher prices for his plants. Will people pay higher prices for Oklahoma plants or will they buy cheaper plants from Arkansas? They will buy plants from Arkansas. Arkansas and other states are not doing anything about illegals so we are just spitting in the wind.

I am not pro illegal immigration, but there are a lot of problems that people are overlooking. I think it has to be addressed at the national level, but we only have gridlock in Congress.

Peggy, I for one would pay more for items that were not produced/serviced by illegals. In fact, I have boycotted the "low prices" at Walmart for almost 5 years after reading a book entitled "The High Cost of Low Prices". I pay more for my gas because I refuse to purchase gas from stations that get their oil from the middle east. I try very hard to buy things made in the US of A. I think as a nation we've become so used to having "stuff" at low prices that we just don't stop to think about how this "stuff" is manufactured and distributed. I think we could all do with less, and if paying more means getting less than so be it. (off my soapbox now)

[Jammie]

Such good input from everyone. YES, I'd also pay more for products or services that are more "American". It would actually all even out in the end. I read an article once and I can't remember the exact amount so I won't post it, but the cost for illegals in our country is staggering. The argument has been it would cost so much to send them back, but in actuality at the end of three months, we'd have broken even. I just hope that more states start following suit for what OK has done and also Farmer's Branch Tx. If my own state starts having a problem, I'll be first in line to organize a group to stand up for American rights.

[mkfarnam]

I'm an online "News Editor" for Hazleton, Pa. online news.
Hazleton is complimenting "OK" for passing the anti-Immigration laws. I have posted this information on this site.
"Hazleton,Pa. Proud of OK".

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

From an employer's point of view, the question is competitive pricing. Take the example of the plant nursery in Oklahoma. The costs of labor are going to go up, because he will pay more for less work. Sorry, but that is the truth. Now he will have to charge higher prices for his plants. Will people pay higher prices for Oklahoma plants or will they buy cheaper plants from Arkansas? They will buy plants from Arkansas. Arkansas and other states are not doing anything about illegals so we are just spitting in the wind.

I am not pro illegal immigration, but there are a lot of problems that people are overlooking. I think it has to be addressed at the national level, but we only have gridlock in Congress.

Peggy, it's not being addressed at the national level; that's most of the problem. The federal government refuses to address this issue because of profit; theirs and the corporations that lobby so much for the illegal immigration slave labor. The cost of labor will go up, but shouldn't it? Shouldn't people who work with their backs and legs be paid a fair wage? If people in Oklahoma want to pay cheaper prices for goods coming from Arkansas, or any other state, that's their prerogative. We will have to go through a period of time where things will be more expensive if the illegal aliens are sent packing, but that is the price one has to pay for the slave labor we have been accustomed to for the last 20 years. It's not fair to those that come here and it's not fair to the American citizens that could work and earn a decent wage.

Globalization: Have you all noticed that the wonderful "globalization" that has been touted as so wonderful lately has resulted in the recalling of products (food, toys, and otherwise)?

It's because the world is not on a level playing stage, and we need to start looking out for ourselves. Times are changing folks, and we need to be mindful of some terrible things going on in the world stage.

[A_G]

i used to work there a long time ago. About 2 years now. They have high prices already..a small rose plant 50-100 dollars. With a qouta of 5000 replanted a day...i dont think he has any money issues
They put in about 10 dollars of supplys to each plant and make there money back 10 fold

[Jammie]

We recently had a somewhat similar situation in my state. Motel owners from a town an hour west of here kept bringing people in from Thailand. They weren't illegals, BUT they were brought over and treated as slaves. They withheld a lot of $$ from their paychecks for bogus purposes. It can work both ways when you enter a different, unknown country. Times are changing and each country really needs to start looking after their own people. Too bad our country hasn't figured that out yet.

Oh and the verdict came in a couple of days ago~Each one of the motel owners (a couple) are facing a max of 125 YEARS in prison.

[A_G]

min wage in oklahoma is 5.40. To compete the place i worked at payed me 6.25 hr for what a mile down the road was paying 10-15 dollars an hour...Just so he could have a high profit margin. But he goes through people like tp. I was the longest to ever stay. I even got rearended by a police car. i had to pay for the damage on the police car out of pocket...2600 dollars. Because he doesnt pay attention to what his insurance policy state. No drivers under 18

Moderator cut: sorry, we can't post this, but I am glad to know.