Native American pic thread (Cherokee, Kiowa: work, home, price)

[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by keen cat

In response to the northern cherokee band you mention, they're a joke. They're not even state recognized. Neither does the Eastern nor Western band acknowledge them as ahniyvwiya. You should see the so called peeps that claim it. Twinkie all the way.

We have a very good friend from Colorado who visits the Northern Cherokee group reunion, and she takes her heritage very seriously. The group may or may not be twinkie, I don't know, but I know our friend is a very good person.

She may be fair-skinned and blue-eyed, but she has the heart of a Native. And I am not going to pass judgment on people I don't know. I think if you met her, you would definitely NOT be calling her a twink! You would get an earfull if you did. She makes Sister Schousse look like a girl scout selling cookies door to door!

Before Dances With Wolves, people who were of mixed blood did not mention it. It was not "cool" to be NDN in the old days. Who knows how many people of Cherokee lineage there are today who don't even know it or who could care less.

When I worked for the citizen Pottawatomie in Shawnee, OK, they had a pow-wow which they turned into a gathering for tribal members only.

They had people come from all over the US to attend the gathering/reunion and to look at them, you would not know any of them were Indian. The tribe also invites the Bands/Clans from the Great Lakes region and KS. So, it is good people, although fair-skinned, are teaching their children the beauty of their Native heritage.

[ReturningWest]

I was just up in Cherokee NC for Memorial day weekend powwow and to meet up with some friends.

This is the link to the photos...just click on Cherokee 2008

nagal05's photos and albums on webshots

The hoop dancer is Eddie Swimmer he and his wife Regina are wonderful. Eddie was the first world champion hoop dancer, currently he is the director of the Unto These Hills play.

You'll also see photos of the kids at the powwow and all the "bears" I shot around Cherokee.

[keen cat]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

We have a very good friend from Colorado who visits the Northern Cherokee group reunion, and she takes her heritage very seriously. The group may or may not be twinkie, I don't know, but I know our friend is a very good person.

I don't know your friend and if you say she is a good person then she must be. But if she is hanging around the so called northern cherokee band or claims to be from that band she is either mislead or lost. Many people have been "told" they have ndn blood or hear rumors from family members when in fact they have found out years down the road they don't have a drop of ndn blood and have a completely different heritage. I've even heard from some people they found out they actually had a black ancestor.

She may be fair-skinned and blue-eyed, but she has the heart of a Native. And I am not going to pass judgment on people I don't know. I think if you met her, you would definitely NOT be calling her a twink! You would get an earfull if you did. She makes Sister Schousse look like a girl scout selling cookies door to door!

As for having a native heart. If a white or asian person related to the black culture and said they had a black heart, how do you think a general black person would react to that? *rolls eyes*<>

Before Dances With Wolves, people who were of mixed blood did not mention it. It was not "cool" to be NDN in the old days. Who knows how many people of Cherokee lineage there are today who don't even know it or who could care less.

Thats the problem. Dances with wolves brought out tons of twinkie wannabees out of the woodwork.

I don't hold it against anyone who is a LIGITIMATE ndn for having fair skin or lighter hair. Of course there are black and white people in this country that may have a ndn ancestor but does that make them ndn? No it doesn't. All it does is make them have ndn ancestry. I have a very minute amount of french blood. My great great great grandfather was French. Do you think I can go to France and say hello my people, can I be a french citizen? They would laugh at me. The french blood has been watered down by my ndn blood. There is a shirt that says "I'm part white but I can't proove it" is the perfect example. I don't know nothing about the french culture. I was raised in my native culture and appreciate other native cultures. I just can't stand these wannabees who exploit our culture. Its disrespectful. If none of the three federally recognized Cherokees acknowlege the northern band, that should tell you something. How would you react if you found out there was a lost northern Kiowa band in Kentucky?

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[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by keen cat

I don't know your friend and if you say she is a good person then she must be. But if she is hanging around the so called northern cherokee band or claims to be from that band she is either mislead or lost.

She is neither misled, nor lost. You have already judged the entire group as misled or lost, but you don't know each person's heritage or heart. You sure don't know her heritage or heart. You would not be saying she is misled or lost if you knew her.

If that makes you roll your eyes for me to say she has the heart and soul of Indian, and we call her sister, than so be it. Like I said, you would not be talking smack if she were in front of you.

You can use the Northern Cherokee as an example of wannabes, but there are individuals within that group that you simply don't know.

As for as looks go, my cousin's mother is (full) Cherokee and his father was white. But his mother remarried to a Kiowa when he was small child, and even though he is pure anglo on the outside, no one takes up the Red Road stronger than he does.

So, is he a wanna-be?

Not to us he isn't. He knows he looks different from the rest of us, but we love him as our brother and blood quantum does not lessen our acceptance of him. There are many examples of people from mixed blood or non-Indian heritage who are fully accepted by Indian people. Especially in the old days, before CDIB cards.

This thread is for celebrating Native Peoples and cultures.

Thank you for posting your feelings on the Northern Cherokee. Whether they are real or wannabe, makes no difference to me. I am not here to pronounce judgment on people I don't know.

[LadyRobyn]

Halito keencat, If you go back to the FIRST post in this thread you will see what it was intended to be:

Originally Posted by redbird4848

The birthday of Oklahoma has made me think of my own heritage.

I wish to pay my respects and honor the Native Americans who live in the state of Oklahoma. All 40 Federally recognized tribes and the tribes who are not federally recognized, I dedicate this thread.

I read somewhere that Native Americans were not even accorded status as American citizens until 1924.

I have great respect for them because they always seem to live their lives with dignity and deep reverence for our Creator and Mother Earth.

Up to your posts there has been much beauty, information and a little humor shared. I would HOPE that in the Oklahoma section of CD that you would realize you are not the only person with NA blood in their veins.

Since this thread is for sharing one's heritage let me point out what I have learned from YOUR words here...

I have learned that the Chalaki people do not consider themselves "LEGITIMATE" unless they are recognized by the State or Federal (White Man's) Govt.

I have also learned that the Chalaki people like to pass judgement and throw racial epithets at people they have never met, and know nothing about.

Is this truly what you wished to share? If so then, Yakoke for that knowledge... Obviously I need to re-think some of my feelings towards your people.

Our friend Redbird has tried gently (and unsuccessfully) to explain the purpose of THIS thread to you... We all have varying degrees of anger and bitterness over many things. I COULD come in here, pound my chest, pull my hair and wail over the actions of our California (Chukchansi) Elders but I will NOT. They chose Govt. and $$ over Blood ... As we see it, their wallets may be full but their hearts will always be empty.

So please, share your people's heritage with us if you choose but leave the angry judgements for another thread. Chi pisa la chike...

(To RB) In the words of my Husband's people... Redbird chi chunkash chompoli...Chi hullo li. But you knew that already.

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by LadyRobyn

Halito keencat, If you go back to the FIRST post in this thread you will see what it was intended to be:



Up to your posts there has been much beauty, information and a little humor shared. I would HOPE that in the Oklahoma section of CD that you would realize you are not the only person with NA blood in their veins.

Since this thread is for sharing one's heritage let me point out what I have learned from YOUR words here...

I have learned that the Chalaki people do not consider themselves "LEGITIMATE" unless they are recognized by the State or Federal (White Man's) Govt.

I have also learned that the Chalaki people like to pass judgement and throw racial epithets at people they have never met, and know nothing about.

Is this truly what you wished to share? If so then, Yakoke for that knowledge... Obviously I need to re-think some of my feelings towards your people.

Our friend Redbird has tried gently (and unsuccessfully) to explain the purpose of THIS thread to you... We all have varying degrees of anger and bitterness over many things. I COULD come in here, pound my chest, pull my hair and wail over the actions of our California (Chukchansi) Elders but I will NOT. They chose Govt. and $$ over Blood ... As we see it, their wallets may be full but their hearts will always be empty.

So please, share your people's heritage with us if you choose but leave the angry judgements for another thread. Chi pisa la chike...

(To RB) In the words of my Husband's people... Redbird chi chunkash chompoli...Chi hullo li. But you knew that already.

Beautifully said, LR.

[mkfarnam]

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[keen cat]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

She is neither misled, nor lost. You have already judged the entire group as misled or lost, but you don't know each person's heritage or heart. You sure don't know her heritage or heart. You would not be saying she is misled or lost if you knew her.

Your quick to say I'm making a judgement on your friend when in fact you made this statement in a post: The proceeds might help some of the Choctaw tribal programs. Not to be rude or anything,.. and I am not saying you are like this, but there is nothing worse than a wanna-be who suddenly finds out they are part Indian and now wants to know what they are entitled to....

There are some that may perceive what you said as making a judgement. I wouldn't say your judging. It seems you know all too well about the wannabes.

My intentions were not to judge your friend. Not once did I call her fake or say she is not native. I was speaking in regards to the so called northern cherokee band.

If that makes you roll your eyes for me to say she has the heart and soul of Indian, and we call her sister, than so be it. Like I said, you would not be talking smack if she were in front of you.

There is a difference between speaking the truth and talking smack. Would you say that all the ndns that work to expose these phoney tribes or organizations are talking smack? All native tribes have been documented. Even small bands as little as a 100.

As for as looks go, my cousin's mother is (full) Cherokee and his father was white. But his mother remarried to a Kiowa when he was small child, and even though he is pure anglo on the outside, no one takes up the Red Road stronger than he does.

So, is he a wanna-be?

Quite honestly I would not say that about him. Again I was speaking about the people who exploit our culture.

Thank you for posting your feelings on the Northern Cherokee. Whether they are real or wannabe, makes no difference to me. I am not here to pronounce judgment on people I don't know.

Whether it makes no difference to you it doesn't change the fact that they are phoney. It makes a difference to the Cherokee nation. And I stand by my statement. My apologies if I have offended you. Have a good day and I mean it.

[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by keen cat

Your quick to say I'm making a judgement on your friend when in fact you made this statement in a post: The proceeds might help some of the Choctaw tribal programs. There are some that may perceive what you said as making a judgement. I wouldn't say your judging. It seems you know all too well about the wannabes.

Lost me on that one. I said that one lady who posted that she just found out she is part Choctaw could always visit a Choctaw casino because if nothing else, the money spent would benefit the Choctaw tribal programs. How is that judgmental?

Originally Posted by keen cat

Not to be rude or anything,.. and I am not saying you are like this, but there is nothing worse than a wanna-be who suddenly finds out they are part Indian and now wants to know what they are entitled to....

I agree 100% and have seen it firsthand.
I think some people are so far removed from Indian country, they don't realize the struggles that went on to survive.
There were Indian Wars, Indian Removal, then forced Assimilation via Boarding Schools, etc. All within 100 years.
I find it hard to believe anyone would want to come to Indian Country just to take what they can get and not even really care about the beauty of the culture that still exists.

Originally Posted by keen cat

My intentions were not to judge your friend. Not once did I call her fake or say she is not native. I was speaking in regards to the so called northern cherokee band. My apologies if I have offended you. Have a good day and I mean it.

Our friend is a beautiful soul with a very kind heart. She knows her place in the universe, and if others do not care for the Northern Cherokee, well, what can I say? Its not my place to pass judgment on people I don't know.

Maybe some new faces came into the group and changed its direction. Who knows.

Anyway, back on topic. Here is a short clip of Charlie Hill. He is hilarious. I saw him up north I think in Boulder.

YouTube - Charlie Hill

Genericee!! That was too funny.

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

Lost me on that one. I said that one lady who posted that she just found out she is part Choctaw could always visit a Choctaw casino because if nothing else, the money spent would benefit the Choctaw tribal programs. How is that judgmental?



I agree 100% and have seen it firsthand.
I think some people are so far removed from Indian country, they don't realize the struggles that went on to survive.
There were Indian Wars, Indian Removal, then forced Assimilation via Boarding Schools, etc. All within 100 years.
I find it hard to believe anyone would want to come to Indian Country just to take what they can get and not even really care about the beauty of the culture that still exists.



Our friend is a beautiful soul with a very kind heart. She knows her place in the universe, and if others do not care for the Northern Cherokee, well, what can I say? Its not my place to pass judgment on people I don't know.

Maybe some new faces came into the group and changed its direction. Who knows.

Anyway, back on topic. Here is a short clip of Charlie Hill. He is hilarious. I saw him up north I think in Boulder.

YouTube - Charlie Hill

Genericee!! That was too funny.

That was fun. BTW, is anyone going to the Red Earth festival this weekend?