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Old 11-03-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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The Great Lakes is no Great Deal. None is a large body of water when compared to the Atlantic, the Pacific, or the Gulf.
Have you traveled around the Great Lakes? To dismiss them as "no great deal" would be hard to understand if you have. When I lived in Iowa for a year I took a week to go up through Wisconsin, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and then down the west side of the Lower Peninsula. It was absolutely stunning. I couldn't believe bodies of fresh water so large you couldn't see the other side and that have waves much like the ocean. I took a ferry to Isle Royale for a couple days and it was gorgeous. Again, to someone from a relatively dry state it was amazing to me to think of a body of fresh water as large as Lake Superior that could hold such a big island in the middle of it. Mackinac Island was fun too - very quaint and pretty little village with a distinct New England feel to it. Michigan is a very beautiful state - I'd love to go back for the fall colors someday (I went in late May/early June).

My parents are from Oklahoma and while it has some pretty locales, it really can't compare to a state like Michigan surrounded by massive, blue Great Lakes.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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Have you traveled around the Great Lakes? To dismiss them as "no great deal" would be hard to understand if you have. When I lived in Iowa for a year I took a week to go up through Wisconsin, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and then down the west side of the Lower Peninsula. It was absolutely stunning. I couldn't believe bodies of fresh water so large you couldn't see the other side and that have waves much like the ocean. I took a ferry to Isle Royale for a couple days and it was gorgeous. Again, to someone from a relatively dry state it was amazing to me to think of a body of fresh water as large as Lake Superior that could hold such a big island in the middle of it. Mackinac Island was fun too - very quaint and pretty little village with a distinct New England feel to it. Michigan is a very beautiful state - I'd love to go back for the fall colors someday (I went in late May/early June).

My parents are from Oklahoma and while it has some pretty locales, it really can't compare to a state like Michigan surrounded by massive, blue Great Lakes.

1. Lake Superior is, by surface area, the world's largest freshwater lake.
2. The surface area of Lake Superior (31,700 square miles or 82,170 square kilometers) is greater than the combined areas of Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and New Hampshire.
3. Lake Superior contains as much water as all the other Great Lakes combined, even throwing in two extra Lake Eries.
4. Lake Superior contains 10% of all the earth's fresh surface water.
5. There is enough water in Lake Superior (3,000,000,000,000,000--or 3 quadrillion-- gallons) to flood all of North and South America to a depth of one foot.
6. The deepest point in Lake Superior (about 40 miles north of Munising, Michigan) is 1,300 feet (400 meters) below the surface.
7. Over 300 streams and rivers empty into Lake Superior.
8, The average elevation of Lake Superior is about 602 feet above sea level.
9. The Lake Superior watershed region ranges in size from 160 miles inland near Wabakimi Provincial Park to only 5 miles inland from Pictured Rocks National Seashore.
10. The Lake Superior shoreline, if straightened out, could connect Duluth and the Bahama Islands.
11. The average underwater visibility of Lake Superior is 27 feet, making it easily the cleanest and clearest of the Great Lakes. Underwater visibility in places reaches 100 feet. Lake Superior has been described as "the most oligotrophic lake in the world."
12. The lake is about 350 miles (563 km) in length and 160 miles (257 km) in width.
13. In the summer, the sun sets more than 35 minutes later on the western shore of Lake Superior than at its southeastern edge.

GEOLOGY, FLORA AND FAUNA, CLIMATE, etc.
1. Lake Superior is one of the earth's youngest major features, at only about 10,000 years of age--dating to the last glacial retreat. By comparison, the earth's second largest lake (by surface area, and largest by volume), Lake Baikal in Russia, is 25 million years old.
2. Fifty-eight orchid species are native to the Lake Superior basin. In North America, only Florida has more native orchid species.
3. Lake Superior produces the greatest lake effect snows on earth. (Significant lake effect snows are a rare phenomenon, occurring--besides on the Great Lakes--only on the east shore of Hudson Bay and the west coasts of two Japanese islands.) Lake effect snows extend 20 to 30 miles inland, primarily on the Ontario shore southeast of Marathon, and from Sault Ste. Marie to the Wisconsin-Michigan border. Average annual snowfall in Michigan's Keweenaw exceeds 200 inches in places.
4. Lake Superior has been at its modern elevation for only about 2,000 years, when elevations of Lake Michigan and Lake Huron dropped, creating a rapids at Sault Ste. Marie.
5. Lake Superior has its origins in the North American Mid-Continent Rift of 1.1 to 1.2 billion years ago, which produced a huge plume of hot mantle where the present lake sits. The crust tore apart, leaving an arc-shaped scar stretching form Kansas through Minnesota, then down to Michigan.
6. Within its borders, Lake Superior has both the thickest, and nearly the thinnest, crust found anywhere in North America.
7. When European explorers visited Lake Superior in the 1600s they reported giant sturgeons (up to nine feet in length) and pike of greater than seven feet in length.
8. The largest tributary of Lake Superior, Ontario's Nipigon River, was in the 1800s the finest brook trout water in the world. It produced the world record brook trout of 14.5 pounds.
9. Some of the world's oldest rocks, about 2.7 billion years of age, can be found on the Ontario shore of Lake Superior.
10. The average annual water temperature of Lake Superior is 40º F. It only very rarely freezes over completely, and then usually just for hours. The last complete freezing of Lake Superior occurred in 1979.
11. Migrating birds of prey funnel down Lake Superior's north shore in great numbers each fall. On a single day at Duluth's Hawk Ridge as many as 100,000 birds of prey might pass by.
12. Lake Superior rests mostly on Precambrian rock at the southern edge of the Canadian shield, the largest exposure of such bedrock on the planet.
13. Sliver Islet, a Lake Superior island off Ontario's north shore, was the site for 15 years in the 1800s of the world's richest silver mine.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: The edge of the world and all of Western civilization
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Tom Coburn has been a genuinely evil idiot for years and years - I hated him so much when I lived in Oklahoma. Jim Inhofe is the same. I can't believe they're still in office - seriously, Oklahomans!

I think the reason they keep getting elected is that all they have to say is: "Democrats want you to have an ABORTION!" and the sheeple will keep voting for them, no matter what other larger issues are affecting the rest of the country. Fundamentalist religion has a hard, hard grip on Oklahoma.

ALL Americans are big time upset with Coburn and his ilk.
Agreed. For some reason, I still remember the first time I heard his name and it has always stuck with me. I was in high school and he made some pretty horrible comments when in 1997 NBC aired Schindler's List completely unedited.

Gop Lawmaker Blasts Nbc For Airing `Schindler's List' - Chicago Tribune
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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It is probably my fault for including an article where the author needlessly lashed out at Oklahoma as retribution for what the state's Senator is doing to Michigan. Nobody in Michigan has one ounce of animus toward Oklahoma. Keep in mind the author of the article is one person who is writing a commentary. It does not reflect the views of the people living in the Land of 2 Peninsulas. That being said, Michiganians are tired of Southern politicians consistently waging war against Michigan from trying to poach our industries to this now. Meanwhile Kentucky gets a 2 billion dollar dam. And the irony is that all of these Red Southern States are taking in more money than they send to Washington DC and yet are fixated with dismantling it.
Dismantle it or preferably just leave it altogether. We can make it without the fed money. The masses of unproductive, parasitic unemployables will migrate to the blue state mega-cities. Keep your money, you will need it to feed the zombies over the next few decades. In recent times the red states have been prospering economically, the blue states have been chronically dying. Have you yet decided what you will do with that huge tumor of failed socialism called Detroit?

Politics aside, Michigan is a great state, btw.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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Dismantle it or preferably just leave it altogether. We can make it without the fed money. The masses of unproductive, parasitic unemployables will migrate to the blue state mega-cities. Keep your money, you will need it to feed the zombies over the next few decades. In recent times the red states have been prospering economically, the blue states have been chronically dying. Have you yet decided what you will do with that huge tumor of failed socialism called Detroit?

Politics aside, Michigan is a great state, btw.
Detroit is the result of Republicans shipping jobs out of Michigan first to the South and then overseas. It is also the result of Whites leaving the city and moving into the suburbs. Basically, whites did not want to integrate with blacks and the US now has urban ghettos with people who are not assimilated into society. BTW, San Francisco seems to be doing well with the democratic party. Also, some of the red states have the highest poverty levels in the country.

Can you also help explain why Socialist Canada is prospering and doing so well? By the way, Socialist Canada is paying for a new international bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario because we cannot afford one. Socialist Canada is basically giving the USA financial aid. Imagine that!
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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I hesitate to give you the answer- but here goes. Socialism works in Canada (and I'll admit that it does seem to work there to some degree) because Canadian citizens are naturally industrious, creative, smart, innovative and various other positive adjectives. Many Americans on the other hand will exploit any common good to the point that it is spoiled very quickly. Socialism will not work here because so many of us are not 'successful' people. As students we fail to study and then blame the school system. As young adults we make poor life choices and end up with children that we can't afford on our meager GED salaries. The producers will be left carrying the unproductive masses. The future in the USA will be many more gated neighborhoods, distant suburbs, more separation, as the producers try to distance themselves from the parasites, as what happened in Detroit.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Do you not think that white Canadians, in the same situation, would not have likewise bailed on Detroit? They would have behaved exactly the same.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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I don't mean to offend anyone from Michigan, but I'm pretty sure that what folks up there think of our elected officials is one of the last thing Okies care about.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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I don't mean to offend anyone from Michigan, but I'm pretty sure that what folks up there think of our elected officials is one of the last thing Okies care about.
I really don't think that anybody in Michigan is worried about whether OKies care about how they they think about your elected officials. People in Michigan are just disgusted that he has made Michigan a target.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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People in Michigan are just disgusted that he has made Michigan a target.
Who hasn't? People around the country are either clucking over Detroit or laughing at yoopers............



Da Yoopers- Second Week of Deer Camp - YouTube
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