[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

I have tried the little cigars, pipe tobacco, the chewing gum, everything. It is easy to quit, I've done it a thousand times.

I don't know if tobacco grows in Oklahoma or not. I have never seen any seed for sale. It would be fun to try.

I always thought it was tobacco in the peace pipes.

I've only quit once (for 10 months) before my kids were born).
And I won't chew gum, because I've lost fillings doing that WAY BACK WHEN...
And I have no interest in pills or herbs...
Tried a pipe... and I might again...

You CAN get tobacco seed on-line, but where I live, there's like a 3 month growing season... (And my wife does NOT weed the garden sufficiently, so I'm afraid of what the results might be...)

If you thought it was "tobacco" in peace pipes, you had a more (shall we say) reasonable education than I did.

M.

[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

To the Native Peoples, every plant, rock, and stream has a spirit, much like you have a soul.

And if we continued along that line, pollution would never have happened...

Originally Posted by redbird4848

I took a trip to Pipestone, MN back in my younger days. It was fascinating to learn of all the tribes who would journey there to gather the red stone used in making pipes.

We, *meaning Natives, don't joke about what goes in a pipe, because the pipe is such an integral part of prayer. (Actually, I think it was a mixture and all tribes have their own mixtures.)

Right again... From what I understand, if one were to make a pipe out of the wrong material, it could poison someone.

Originally Posted by redbird4848

So, WATCH IT paleface!! Or your scalp will look might purdy hanging on the radio antenna of my one eyed Ford.

It might have when I was a teenager (read: long-haired rock n' roll hippie),
but these days, your brothers would be a might less impressed.

Originally Posted by redbird4848

Tobacco is still used in healing ceremonies. There is great reverence amongst our People in how we offer tobacco to the spirits.

I'd be interested to learn...

Originally Posted by redbird4848

ComputerGuy, maybe you can google Pipestone, MN.

Did a quick Google search, and got lot of spam on the first few hits... I'll do a more in-depth search and try to actually learn something....

Thanks,

M.

P.S.

Keep the real NA stuff coming...
It's appreciated by more than just myself.

[peggydavis]

Well, if it was not tobacco in the peace pipe, I don't think the peace pipe, or calumet, would be on our state flag.

[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

Well, if it was not tobacco in the peace pipe, I don't think the peace pipe, or calumet, would be on our state flag.

That's because you don't live in "John Kerry" country.....
If you did, you wouldn't imagine anything different.

Just an outlander point of view.....

M.

[Synopsis]

Redbird. Your stories are always interesting. I love the real Native American perspective. So many of my friends were Native Americans growing up but we rarely talked about the things that reveal here. Please, keep it up. And Yankee, you keep it up as well!

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

Redbird. Your stories are always interesting. I love the real Native American perspective. So many of my friends were Native Americans growing up but we rarely talked about the things that reveal here. Please, keep it up. And Yankee, you keep it up as well!

I agree. I love anything Native American. I love the Native American philosophy of living in harmony with the earth. I wish we could all do that. The world would be a much better place for us and for our children. Please post some more of this type of information. I enjoy it, as I'm sure others do.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by colleeng47

I agree. I love anything Native American. I love the Native American philosophy of living in harmony with the earth. I wish we could all do that. The world would be a much better place for us and for our children. Please post some more of this type of information. I enjoy it, as I'm sure others do.

I'm in total agreement with you colleen. We should have adopted MUCH from the various Tribes that lived in harmony with the land.

[peggydavis]

I am pretty lucky because we go to a Creek language class. We are learning to speak a little. Sometimes we have history lessons, and sometimes we have cooking lessons. They let us come to the classes even if we are este-hvtke.

[_redbird_]

Here is a link to the pipestone quarry, which is now under National Park Service.

Pipestone National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)

Back in the old days different tribes from all over Turtle Island (America) would go to this quarry to gather pipe stone. And even when traveling through traditional enemy's territory, no other tribes would fight them, because somehow it was known they were on a sacred journey.

Anyways, I have funny story from that trip I took. This sacred journey of my own took place after I had a dream. My friend, who is Pottawatomie, was working up on the Yankton Sioux Reservation went with me.

Well, when we pulled in to the Pipestone Quarry, we were met by a National Park Service Ranger who told me I could not quarry without a permit. I was told I would have to send in an application for a permit, but since it was 5:00 PM friday, and monday was a holiday, I was SOL. I told him I had to go back to work on tuesday and had driven over 500 miles.

I told the ranger we could not wait for a permit, as I had to get back to work in KS, and my people have been gathering this pipe stone for thousands of years. My long braids were standing out like Pippi Longstocking! (This was in my rowdy activist days) He tried to tell me I needed a wheelbarrel, a sledge, two kinds of shovels, etc etc ad nauseum.

Well, my friend -who was much calmer and older than I- came and pulled me away from that idiot ranger. A local sioux had been watching me argue with the Park Ranger and they had a good laugh. They said that ol' white man thinks he runs this place. Just wait a while and he will go home for the weekend. I said I'm going for a walk and a smoke.

To make a long story short, that sioux was a pipe maker and he and my friend had a good laugh at my expense. I still remember going for a walk and having a smoke while I told the Great Spirit those white men try my patience!!


Here is a pic of my friend who is Pottawatomie and French standing in the visitor center at Pipestone National Park. His name is muk-shie-men "Fish Swimming Upstream".

[Mattie Jo]

Did the ranger leave, and did you then get what you wanted?