Intresting Oklahoma History (Shawnee, Ada, Sulphur: house, travel, schools)

[Goodpasture]

Was it fiction or was it an autobiography? It was written by a white supremest, a segregationist, and an all around not nice guy......lots is unknown about him, but try reading Forrest Carter's "The Education of Little Tree"

It's the kind of fiction that is so close to real life, you can't tell the difference. In fact, for several years it was classified as an autobiography by the UNM Press, it's publisher.

[LadyRobyn]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Was it fiction or was it an autobiography? It was written by a white supremest, a segregationist, and an all around not nice guy......lots is unknown about him, but try reading Forrest Carter's "The Education of Little Tree"

It's the kind of fiction that is so close to real life, you can't tell the difference. In fact, for several years it was classified as an autobiography by the UNM Press, it's publisher.

You mean Asa Carter...

[Goodpasture]

Whatever......Forrest is what he called himself. He's dead now so it doesn't make much difference, but I don't care if a guy was born with one name and changes it for what ever reason he wants......I guarantee you I would never call the Duke anything but Mr Wayne......even if his name really was Marion. And going to court and having an official change means less than nothing.

In the case of Mr Carter, if he wanted to honor Bedford Forrest, why should I care what he called himself?

[LadyRobyn]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Whatever......Forrest is what he called himself. He's dead now so it doesn't make much difference, but I don't care if a guy was born with one name and changes it for what ever reason he wants......I guarantee you I would never call the Duke anything but Mr Wayne......even if his name really was Marion. And going to court and having an official change means less than nothing.

In the case of Mr Carter, if he wanted to honor Bedford Forrest, why should I care what he called himself?

Whatever. Sorry! I forgot a question mark... I meant to ASK you if that was his other name, I remembered reading something a long time ago but I wasn't sure if that was correct.

[Goodpasture]

Yeah, he was born Asa Carter. He also wrote "The Outlaw Josie Wales" and a couple of other books. You may not like his politics, but he could sure spin a tale.......and Like I said, UNM had Little Tree as an autobiography until folks tried tracing down a lot of the "history" that he reported........and some things just didn't run true.

But that it didn't happen just like he said, but he says it in such a way that you believe it and hope to gain insight into what it talks about, is a sign of a master story teller. As far as I am concerned it puts him right up there with Okies like S E Hinton, Tony Hillerman and Matt Braun.

[redbird4848]

I have boxes and boxes of Oklahoma history from when I was working in a museum. I would make copies of stuff and file them away.

There are accounts of settlers from the 1860's who would run across Indians. One account was from three men on the TX side of the Red River. They were heading to town when they saw three Kiowas across the river. The Indians shot arrows at them and ran their horses along the opposite side of the stream waiting for a good place to cross the Red River, but the three Texans made it to town and reported it to the lawmen.

Some of the accounts are from both sides. Like one where the Kiowas robbed a wagon train which happened to be carrying a huge payload for the army. The account from the Indians was they saw the wagon train and waited until the first wagons passed by before launching their attack. To make a long story short, two of the last surviving white men were holding off the Indians while trying to protect the money, but failed. The Indians took the money and buried some of it and made ornaments for their horses and clothing out of the shiny metal gold coins. One of the Indians picked up a pocket watch but became scared of it when the arms begin to move on the watch. He threw the watch because he thought it was witched.

My first job out of college was with a museum and I had lots of time to indulge in my passion of historical accounts of Oklahoma.

[Convert 54]

When my grand mother was ten....1909 she and her mother were in a little Oklahoma town called three sands (no longer exists)
They were shopping at the general store which was across the street from a saloon.
She said it was around noon and she saw two drunk cow pokes come out of the saloon onto main street and as she put it "slap leather"
Yep she was describing a good old fashion gun slinger fight.
She said they both died and she used to always laugh at the Hollywood shots that showed the guys getting shot and flying backwards.
She always said those two cow pokes both dropped straight down like sacks of flour.

[Choctaw2]

Another interesting forum with some Oklahoma history.

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[okpondlady]

Hey Computer Guy,
If you are interested in Native American History in Oklahoma.. Angie Debo is surely a good place to start. She wrote a book in 1939ish that will truely open your eyes to how the "Resettled" Native Americans were treated. It is titled And Still The Waters Run. It is just amazing the things that some people got away with. Anyway, just thought I would also second Peggy's suggestion. HAVE FUN!!!

Karen

[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by okpondlady

Hey Computer Guy,
If you are interested in Native American History in Oklahoma.. Angie Debo is surely a good place to start. She wrote a book in 1939ish that will truely open your eyes to how the "Resettled" Native Americans were treated. It is titled And Still The Waters Run. It is just amazing the things that some people got away with. Anyway, just thought I would also second Peggy's suggestion. HAVE FUN!!!

Karen

I have very basic knowledge on the subject, and the little I do know
is heartbreaking... People have been evil since the beginning of time and
will continue to be so until the end of time... A sad but true fact.

I'll check those books out...
We have a horribly tiny library here, but the woman who runs it
is excellent about locating and obtaining my requests.

Thanks,

M.