[peggydavis]

Speaking of JFK, today its more like, "ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."

I just reread that speech. Things have really changed.

The Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You speech by John F. Kennedy

[Peace_Maker]

Yeah now the dems want to take my money and give it to the poor to create a socialized welfare state.

The republicans want to take my money and give it to big business, via war.

Both want illegals.

I'll take the lessor of the two evils and keep voting republican since they generally let me keep my guns.

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

Speaking of JFK, today its more like, "ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."

I just reread that speech. Things have really changed.

The Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You speech by John F. Kennedy

Peggy, I work in NJ Taxation, and we distribute the property tax rebates each year. There is also another program for seniors called "property tax reimbursement." You can get both if you're a senior. My co-workers and I have determined that these "rebates" bring out the worst in people. You would be amazed at how GREEDY people become when you give them something for nothing. People call and write asking "why did my neighbor get xxxx and I only got xxxx?" or "everyone I know got more than I did, why?" or "all my friends got their checks last week, where is mine?" or "so what if my income is $250,000 a year? I'm entitled (their favorite word) to a rebate. I'm being punished for doing well in life!"

Sadly, we have become an entitlement society. Everyone is entitled to the best vacations, furnishings, homes, cars, etc. We "deserve" it the advertisements say. If we don't make enough money to give us the lifestyle we are "entitled" to, then we should get something from the government so we can. Does anyone think the rebates coming from the Federal government are going to be appreciated? No, everyone will complain about how someone they know got more than they did, and why?

Whatever happened to what our forefathers (and mothers) aspired to? To be able to take care of yourself. Charity was considered shameful. Now, everyone has their hand out. It's disgusting. Sorry for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

Ask not who can take care of you, but how you can take care of yourself!

[peggydavis]

I'd hate to see what would happen if the whole country really went into a depression like the 30s. So many people are used to being carried by the rest of us. I have no problem with people who are truly disabled or down on their luck, but some people are from generations of families who don't believe in work.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

I'd hate to see what would happen if the whole country really went into a depression like the 30s. So many people are used to being carried by the rest of us. I have no problem with people who are truly disabled or down on their luck, but some people are from generations of families who don't believe in work.

It would be a disaster I'm afraid. There would be lootings and crimes committed left and right, probably. Just think if you were the only person in your neighborhood that had lights on because you could afford to pay your bill or something. I'm sure it would be like a magnet for all kinds of ne-er do wells.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

Did you know that Colleen currently works for them?
Hope she doesn't see this.

Not for long.......don't think there is a NJ Dept of taxation in Mustang.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

ALL districts need to get rid of most of their school board members, and the parents need to wake up.

You would mandate that local citizens electing local school boards be gotten rid of? Who determines what gets spent and where in the school district? What I am talking about is getting rid of unfunded federal and state mandates. Leave the local boards alone.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

More money than ever is being thrown at education, and we're getting worse results than ever.

No, more federal mandates are being handed down without funding so local boards have more to do with less. We spend $150,000 a year to keep a guy in prison who was busted for smoking dope, and we spend $3500 a year to teach a kid how to survive and contribute to society. The problem is not one of too MUCH money......the problem is one of focus.....we need to focus on those who will benefit and ignore those who won't.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

Schools should spend more time on math, reading, science and history and less time on Marxist / socialist indoctrination.

I've served on school boards.........indoctrination was never part of any curricula.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

We're very good at dealing with dictators directly...Unfortunately, we never seem to leave after we get the job done. Germany, Japan, Korea, Kosovo, Colombia, Iraq etc...

Not really.......the Shah, the dictators in Viet Nam that began our war there.......we actually blow it regularly. Take the current conflict.....we get rid of an a**hole, but fail to have a back up, so we are in a quagmire of country building. If the Iraqi's wanted to get rid of him, they should have done it. Such things cannot be forced on a people. After all, he was THEIR dictator, now ours.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

The U.N. on the other hand is lousy at dealing with anything except trying to find ways to create global taxes and global government.

They do a lot of good in many areas. but like any human enterprise, there is a lot wrong.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

Printing new dollars makes our old dollars worth less.

What makes our dollars worth less, is a lack of productivity and an overwhelming debt. Borrowing money to pay your bills is what makes a country go broke.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

He's of a Libertarian bent, but how do you get the Bircher analogy?

Dad was a Bircher and they sound alike.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

Yeah, except they're starting to own more of the country than we do.

So quit borrowing, quit giving tax breaks to move business off shore, and help business reduce expenses.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

It's nice if you buy schousse dinner... (Or do you guys go Dutch treat?)
but the bill should not be paid out of our taxes.

I deduct our dinners, so yes, you help pay for them...........

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

No I mean you could legally carry a concealed weapon without jumping through a bunch of hoops and spending any money. The 2nd amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right... (Contrary to current popular belief.)

I do carry a weapon...not registered and not openly.......

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

That was just a coincidence though.

NO, that was good shooting from 100yards with an iron sight. There is NO right to life. Life is earned.

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

Is your mind open enough to make it worth my time???

Is your time worth my effort?

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by peggydavis

Speaking of JFK, today its more like, "ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."

I just reread that speech. Things have really changed.

The Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You speech by John F. Kennedy

John F. Kennedy had his faults like any man, but he was a great, great President.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Not for long.......don't think there is a NJ Dept of taxation in Mustang.


You would mandate that local citizens electing local school boards be gotten rid of? Who determines what gets spent and where in the school district? What I am talking about is getting rid of unfunded federal and state mandates. Leave the local boards alone.


No, more federal mandates are being handed down without funding so local boards have more to do with less. We spend $150,000 a year to keep a guy in prison who was busted for smoking dope, and we spend $3500 a year to teach a kid how to survive and contribute to society. The problem is not one of too MUCH money......the problem is one of focus.....we need to focus on those who will benefit and ignore those who won't.


I've served on school boards.........indoctrination was never part of any curricula.


Not really.......the Shah, the dictators in Viet Nam that began our war there.......we actually blow it regularly. Take the current conflict.....we get rid of an a**hole, but fail to have a back up, so we are in a quagmire of country building. If the Iraqi's wanted to get rid of him, they should have done it. Such things cannot be forced on a people. After all, he was THEIR dictator, now ours.


They do a lot of good in many areas. but like any human enterprise, there is a lot wrong.


What makes our dollars worth less, is a lack of productivity and an overwhelming debt. Borrowing money to pay your bills is what makes a country go broke.


Dad was a Bircher and they sound alike.


So quit borrowing, quit giving tax breaks to move business off shore, and help business reduce expenses.


I deduct our dinners, so yes, you help pay for them...........


I do carry a weapon...not registered and not openly.......


NO, that was good shooting from 100yards with an iron sight. There is NO right to life. Life is earned.


Is your time worth my effort?

You two both make good points, but if this is going where I think it might be, I'm going to move it to the politics forum. Agreed?

[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by colleeng47

I'm entitled (their favorite word) to a rebate. I'm being punished for doing well in life!"

Sorry for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

Ask not who can take care of you, but how you can take care of yourself!

No need to be sorry!
This country HAS become an entitlement society,
and it's only going to get worse.
In fact, the 3 leading candidates in either party will offer MORE entitlements.
That's how they get votes.

In the olden days, churches and neighbors took care of the disabled and people who were temporarily down on their luck, and they did it voluntarily and cheerfully.
People who didn't want to work learned very quickly about the error of their ways.
Thanks to the government's wealth redistribution programs,
there's an entire class of able bodied people who don't have to work.
And we're forced to support them under penalty of fine or imprisonment.
How does that benefit society?

In fact, the way the system is set up, these people make less
money if they do any work. Where's the incentive?
Who's going to go to work when they can make more staying in bed?
Yes, there needs to be some SERIOUS reform.
Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul

[TheComputerGuy]

Originally Posted by Peace_Maker

I'll take the lessor of the two evils and keep voting republican since they generally let me keep my guns.

"Let you keep your guns"?????

The leading 3 candidates on either side are very anti-gun.
Ignore what they say, and look at their actual voting records.

The 2nd amendment guarantees your right to keep and bear arms.
(And it's an INDIVIDUAL right, not a collective right.)
You may want to reconsider voting for the lesser of the evils,
and consider voting for a candidate who actually understands
and respects the constitution.

And yes, there IS one candidate who does...
And he has a perfect voting record on the subject for over 11 years.
You just don't see him very often because the media ignores him.