[ogre]

Just dropping by to say hi all. And to add to the praise for Heather D's post. Another user here bouncing some rep her way for ya Redbird. Take care, all.

[HeatherDawn]

Originally Posted by karibear

Sounds about like the first university I went to. There was a very small, very self-important Greek presence, but as far as they were concerned, the rest of us were GDI's and didn't exist.

It's not that bad here. I have some Greek friends and it's really not that big of a deal. It is at OU. If you aren't in a house there you are pretty much a weirdo.

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Dating: . Furthermore, with the conservative Baptist attitude, girls are not as loose as ones you will find in larger cities. There is no sleeping together on the 4th date type of thing here. You have to date these girls for at least 6 months before you can consider such an option. Different mindset and different rules. This is why a lot of people are in long term relationships. On the west coast, having sex, dating etc is not a big deal nor is it seen as being taboo, it's the norm. You just don't have that single life culture in Oklahoma. .

OMG, girls with standards!!! What will happen next????? No wonder my 17 year old daughter fits in so well here. Her sexuality is not up for grabs, and she's made that clear to more than one guy. I say hurray for her. I'm sure you're very happy back where you can hop into the sack with anyone, anytime. I'm happy Oklahoma girls have the reputation of being a bit more discerning. Be sure to tell all your friends that, too.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by colleeng47

OMG, girls with standards!!! What will happen next????? No wonder my 17 year old daughter fits in so well here. Her sexuality is not up for grabs, and she's made that clear to more than one guy. I say hurray for her. I'm sure you're very happy back where you can hop into the sack with anyone, anytime. I'm happy Oklahoma girls have the reputation of being a bit more discerning. Be sure to tell all your friends that, too.

My thoughts exactly. Because someone doesn't sleep with another right off the bat is a bad thing? WTH??

[karibear]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Furthermore, with the conservative Baptist attitude, girls are not as loose as ones you will find in larger cities. There is no sleeping together on the 4th date type of thing here. You have to date these girls for at least 6 months before you can consider such an option. Different mindset and different rules. This is why a lot of people are in long term relationships. On the west coast, having sex, dating etc is not a big deal nor is it seen as being taboo, it's the norm. You just don't have that single life culture in Oklahoma. Everyone seems to be in a relationship there and it's really irritating to go to a bar and find a group of girls all having husbands and they are only 21. And as mentioned previously, you have to join a fraternity if you want to meet girls at a big southern school like OSU. It's a just prerequisite there.

The conservative Baptist attitude has nothing to do with bed-hopping, or the lack of it. Self-respect is more important, and ANYone has the right to say 'No' at any time. Maybe they just didn't like your line?

I was also interested to find out that biscuits and white gravy, along with BBQ are southern. I grew up eating biscuits and white gravy in St Louis, which certainly isn't southern by anyone's definition. My brother's favorite was - and still is - chicken fried steak. As for BBQ, all summer long there were BBQ stands on every other street corner in the city, and I haven't tasted any as good since I left. Besides that, just about everyone we knew had a BBQ pit, there weren't any fancy grills back then. Ours was a big one made of granite blocks, with a couple of old oven racks to hold the meat. I suppose the cole slaw, sassafras tea, and potato salad are southern, too. I wonder if my gran knew that.... But then, she grew up on a farm in northern Illinois, so being 'southern' wasn't something they had time to think about.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

My thoughts exactly. Because someone doesn't sleep with another right off the bat is a bad thing? WTH??

I guess I need to find one of those places where you can walk up to someone and say "Hi, nice to meet you, your bed or mine or just the picnic table over there." It would save a LOT of money on dinners, nightclubs, etc.........now that I think about it, I HAVE been in places like that......except they always asked for cash up front......so what part of California consists of "working girls" that work for free?

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by karibear

I was also interested to find out that biscuits and white gravy, along with BBQ are southern............

funny, I used to order biscuits and white gravy in a Jewish delicatessen in Ottawa Ontario.......I never figured them for southern, just good cooks. And I need to let my friends on the South Porcupine in Quebec that they, too, are southern......after all, they smoke and barbeque meat all the time........

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by karibear

The conservative Baptist attitude has nothing to do with bed-hopping, or the lack of it. Self-respect is more important, and ANYone has the right to say 'No' at any time. Maybe they just didn't like your line?

I was also interested to find out that biscuits and white gravy, along with BBQ are southern. I grew up eating biscuits and white gravy in St Louis, which certainly isn't southern by anyone's definition. My brother's favorite was - and still is - chicken fried steak. As for BBQ, all summer long there were BBQ stands on every other street corner in the city, and I haven't tasted any as good since I left. Besides that, just about everyone we knew had a BBQ pit, there weren't any fancy grills back then. Ours was a big one made of granite blocks, with a couple of old oven racks to hold the meat. I suppose the cole slaw, sassafras tea, and potato salad are southern, too. I wonder if my gran knew that.... But then, she grew up on a farm in northern Illinois, so being 'southern' wasn't something they had time to think about.

The overwhelming dominant faith in Oklhoma is Southern Baptist which is very conservative and they don't believe in sex before marriage. So to say the Baptist faith has no bearing on the conduct in the community is a bit short sighted to say the least.

Yes, I had Vietnamese pho in Phoenix the other day. Does that make Pho an Arizona dish? Likewise, a lot of popular southern dishes like biscuits and gravy are offerred in places outside the south (Arizona included) but that doesn't make it any less southern in origin. Furthermore, I was speaking in regards to frequency. There are places in AZ that offer biscuits and gravy but a lot of places don't offer it here. In Oklahoma, you can get biscuits and gravy pretty much anywhere. Furthermore, St. Louis is technically Midwestern although it has strong southern ties and I know many who have argued that St. Louis is a southern city. Nonetheless, your point would have been stronger if you said you lived in Chicago or Los Angelas for that matter.

And BBQ is not a southern dish in your opinion? Is BBQ Midwestern or Northeastern in your opinion. What about chicken fried steak? Is that a down home St. Louis tradition? Those types of cooking have no association to the south in your opinion? Hmm interesting

Please read the following below. Let me know if there is anything else you need further clarification on.

Chicken Fried Steak origins

It is associated with Southern U.S. cuisine and hospitality. Its name is likely due to chicken fried steak's similarity in preparation to fried chicken, though the dish is also similar to the classic Viennese dish Wiener Schnitzel, a tenderized veal cutlet, coated with flour, eggs and breadcrumbs and fried. The precise origins of the dish are unclear but many sources attribute its development to German and Austrian immigrants to Texas in the nineteenth century who brought recipes from Europe to the USA: Wiener Schnitzel.[1] The German preparation, of course, is different but the similarities are obvious. Lamesa, the seat of Dawson County on the TexasSouth Plains, claims to be the birthplace of chicken fried steak, as does Bandera, Texas.[2]
Chicken fried steak is among numerous popular dishes which make up the official state meal of Oklahoma.[3][4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fried_steak

BBQ history
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/MA...e/history.html


The history of barbecue itself, aside from its murky etymological origins, is more clear. For several reasons, the pig became an omnipresent food staple in the South. Pigs were a low-maintenance and convenient food source for Southerners. In the pre-Civil War period, Southerners ate, on average, five pounds of pork for every one pound of beef(Gray 27). Pigs could be put out to root in the forest and caught when food supply became low. These semi-wild pigs were tougher and stringier than modern hogs, but were a convenient and popular food source. Every part of the pig was utilized-- the meat was either eaten immediately or cured for later consumption, and the ears, organs and other parts were transformed into edible delicacies. Pig slaughtering became a time for celebration, and the neighborhood would be invited to share in the largesse. The traditional Southern barbecue grew out of these gatherings.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

funny, I used to order biscuits and white gravy in a Jewish delicatessen in Ottawa Ontario.......I never figured them for southern, just good cooks. And I need to let my friends on the South Porcupine in Quebec that they, too, are southern......after all, they smoke and barbeque meat all the time........

Sigh.... While we are it, would you like me to paste a thread proving Spaghetti is Italian? I had spaghetti in Oklahoma as well but I'm pretty sure spaghetti is Italian.

Biscuits and gravy is a popular breakfast dish amongst people of the Southern United States. It consists of buttermilk American biscuits covered in thick "country" or "white" gravy made from the drippings of cooked pork sausage, white flour, milk, and often bits of real sausage, bacon, ground beef, or other meat. The gravy is often flavored with black pepper. In some parts of the South this is also called sawmill gravy. The dish is best eaten soon after it is prepared, and is always served piping hot.

Biscuits and gravy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Southern Biscuits And Gravy Like No Others, Nashville's Famous Loveless Cafe's Head Chef Carol Fay Shares Pointers, Recipes - CBS News

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by colleeng47

OMG, girls with standards!!! What will happen next????? No wonder my 17 year old daughter fits in so well here. Her sexuality is not up for grabs, and she's made that clear to more than one guy. I say hurray for her. I'm sure you're very happy back where you can hop into the sack with anyone, anytime. I'm happy Oklahoma girls have the reputation of being a bit more discerning. Be sure to tell all your friends that, too.

I'm not passing judgement, I'm just telling you the reality. Due to the prevalence of the conservative Baptist faith, premarital sex is not routine in Oklahoma. Whether you see that as a strength or weakness is entirely up to the individual passing judgement. However, he is a young man who is moving to Oklahoma professing he wants to have fun. I think he should be aware of the prevalent attitude in the state regarding sex and dating.I'm not Baptist but I suppose that sleeping with someone after dating for a month or two is "hopping into the sack with anyone, anytime" in your opinion. And perhaps we are all just a bunch of loose moraled and promiscuous individuals but this characterizes the majority of people living in large metropolitan areas outside the south.