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Good post Heather. Couldn't rep you. I will have to rep someone else for your good deed. I also had friends go to OSU who had NOTHING to do with greek snobbery.
The bottom line is YOU weren't happy here, so your post reflects that. Which is cool. But don't use the most overused line from all the CDF forums ..."there is nothing to do in <fill in the blank> ...reminds me of something a teenager says when they can't find the remote.
DOH! Oh wait a minute, that's me.
Anyways, I am glad you found a better life than the one you found in OSU. BTW, you're supposed to move away from the college scene when you graduate. That's what people do unless you want to be a professional student.
Your just asking one of us old folks to go into lecture mode on "why when we were young we always found something to do,... like ..."
That's not true at all. I enjoyed my time in Oklahoma but it was just a different experience and after a while, i was ready to return to what i was used to. I'm originally from LA so Oklahoma is a world apart. And coming from a large metropolitan, diverse and liberal area, Oklahoma is the complete opposite. That doesn't mean it is better, it is different. I personally prefer that type of environment but everyone is different. My post may have seemed negative but I can relate to the OP person since he is an outsider like I was. I feel that I can give him an objective view of my stay there versus people like yourself who are naturally going to be a little biased. It's okay, i'm biased like that in regards to Phoenix and LA. It's just natural. I didn't mean any offense with my post. I tried to capture the good and bad regarding the state and I feel that I did that well. It's just unfortunate because when you write negative things, people only remember those critical elements and forget the positive things you wrote. I'm sorry my negative comments were the only ones that stood out.
That's not true at all. I enjoyed my time in Oklahoma but it was just a different experience and after a while, i was ready to return to what i was used to. I'm originally from LA so Oklahoma is a world apart. And coming from a large metropolitan, diverse and liberal area, Oklahoma is the complete opposite. That doesn't mean it is better, it is different. I personally prefer that type of environment but everyone is different. My post may have seemed negative but I can relate to the OP person since he is an outsider like I was. I feel that I can give him an objective view of my stay there versus people like yourself who are naturally going to be a little biased. It's okay, i'm biased like that in regards to Phoenix and LA. It's just natural. I didn't mean any offense with my post. I tried to capture the good and bad regarding the state and I feel that I did that well. It's just unfortunate because when you write negative things, people only remember those critical elements and forget the positive things you wrote. I'm sorry my negative comments were the only ones that stood out.
FYI, CaseySimplified who wrote the OP on this thread did decide on OSU, and the last time he wrote (around Thanksgiving), he was very happy there and comfortable with his choice. In fact, he e-mailed me privately about giving my daughter a tour of the school since she is thinking about going there.
BTW, I don't think saying Oklahoma girls aren't so easy with their favors is a negative thing. We all consider it a positive.
Your comment about country music stars being "southern" is funny. I thought it was called country WESTERN music.
And what do you think the COUNTRY in country western is referring to, New England? And where is the country music capital located, that's right Nashville, TN...the SOUTH!
And what do you think the COUNTRY in country western is referring to, New England? And where is the country music capital located, that's right Nashville, TN...the SOUTH!
And I could care less! Your ramblings on this forum are entertaining though!
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The stuff they try to label as "Country Music" today sounds more like a cat that got its tail cought in the fan of a car. I like to call it "Cheeze and Cracker Country", cause the so called singers have all the Whine (Wine). Then you have this other junk we call "Bubblegum Country", thats these little teeniboppers that sound like Britney Spears still in junior high school and I can't stand that skank now or ever. I use to love too listen to real country music back 10, 15 years ago, but not anymore. Especially when the radio stations keep playing the same songs (garbage) day after day after day, all day long. Give me some of that "Rock-a-Billy" or "Southern Rock", but most of all, I rather listen to that good ole classic Country music..
. Furthermore, with the conservative Baptist attitude, girls are not as loose as ones you will find in larger cities. There is no sleeping together on the 4th date type of thing here. You have to date these girls for at least 6 months before you can consider such an option. Different mindset and different rules. This is why a lot of people are in long term relationships. On the west coast, having sex, dating etc is not a big deal nor is it seen as being taboo, it's the norm. You just don't have that single life culture in Oklahoma. Everyone seems to be in a relationship there and it's really irritating to go to a bar and find a group of girls all having husbands and they are only 21. And as mentioned previously, you have to join a fraternity if you want to meet girls at a big southern school like OSU. It's a just prerequisite there.
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Ok I read your post but when I got to this paragraph I couldn't keep silent.
And the "conservative baptist attitude" is a bad thing? Did it ever occur to you that some girls out of your little perfect San Diego world, actually have morals and don't sleep with anything that walks? I am from California orginally...not Oklahoma and was taught sex is something to enjoyed between two people within the bounds of marriage. It is not a baptist thing because I am not baptist. Sorry that Oklahoma doesn't have the girls that you are looking for, that will jump in bed with you on the 4th date. Oh and I wouldn't generalize that on the west coast it is the norm, because I am sure all people wouldn't agree with you. My sister lives in San Diego and would drag you through the mud on that one. A group of girls, in a bar that are 21 and married isn't a bad thing. Just because they chose to get married at 21 and you couldn't get them to go home to sleep with you on the "1st date"....well thank goodness they were married.
I am thankful you are in San Diego or whereever you are and no where near my daughters.
Maybe once you become a father (heaven forbid) you will have a different attitude when that college guy wants your daughter to losen up on the 4th date.
The stuff they try to label as "Country Music" today sounds more like a cat that got its tail cought in the fan of a car. I like to call it "Cheeze and Cracker Country", cause the so called singers have all the Whine (Wine). Then you have this other junk we call "Bubblegum Country", thats these little teeniboppers that sound like Britney Spears still in junior high school and I can't stand that skank now or ever. I use to love too listen to real country music back 10, 15 years ago, but not anymore. Especially when the radio stations keep playing the same songs (garbage) day after day after day, all day long. Give me some of that "Rock-a-Billy" or "Southern Rock", but most of all, I rather listen to that good ole classic Country music..
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The overwhelming dominant faith in Oklhoma is Southern Baptist which is very conservative and they don't believe in sex before marriage. So to say the Baptist faith has no bearing on the conduct in the community is a bit short sighted to say the least.
And you think for some reason that the Southern Baptists are the only denomination that doesn't believe in sex before marriage? What about the Freewill Baptists? Get real. Name one, just one, Christian church of any denomination that believes otherwise. Or even non-Christian - I know some Orthodox Jews who would no more have jumped into bed before marriage than they would have eaten a pork chop.
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Yes, I had Vietnamese pho in Phoenix the other day. Does that make Pho an Arizona dish? Likewise, a lot of popular southern dishes like biscuits and gravy are offerred in places outside the south (Arizona included) but that doesn't make it any less southern in origin. Furthermore, I was speaking in regards to frequency. There are places in AZ that offer biscuits and gravy but a lot of places don't offer it here. In Oklahoma, you can get biscuits and gravy pretty much anywhere. Furthermore, St. Louis is technically Midwestern although it has strong southern ties and I know many who have argued that St. Louis is a southern city. Nonetheless, your point would have been stronger if you said you lived in Chicago or Los Angelas for that matter.
My point was that I grew up in St Louis. NO one who grew up there ever considerd it anything but midwestern - I don't know what people you are talking about when you say 'many have argued that St Louis is a xouthern city,' but I'd bet they weren't born and raised there. I did visit CHicago when I was a child, my father and his family lived there. But they were also NAs from Oklahoma, so they probably don't count. As far as LA is concerned, you can find just about anything there - I know of one clinic that has a staff of translators who speak about 47 different languages to deal with the non-American clients. When you have that large a minority population, you have just as large a different cuisinie.
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And BBQ is not a southern dish in your opinion? Is BBQ Midwestern or Northeastern in your opinion. What about chicken fried steak? Is that a down home St. Louis tradition? Those types of cooking have no association to the south in your opinion? Hmm interesting
I didn't say BBQ is not southern, I said it's ubiquitous. Chicken fried steak was also referred to as chuckwagon steak when I was in school, and we got it for lunch at least once a week. Having anything that often in a school cafeteria pretty much argues that it's a local tradition.
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For several reasons, the pig became an omnipresent food staple in the South. Pigs were a low-maintenance and convenient food source for Southerners. In the pre-Civil War period, Southerners ate, on average, five pounds of pork for every one pound of beef(Gray 27). Pigs could be put out to root in the forest and caught when food supply became low. These semi-wild pigs were tougher and stringier than modern hogs, but were a convenient and popular food source. Every part of the pig was utilized-- the meat was either eaten immediately or cured for later consumption, and the ears, organs and other parts were transformed into edible delicacies. Pig slaughtering became a time for celebration, and the neighborhood would be invited to share in the largesse. The traditional Southern barbecue grew out of these gatherings.
The south isn't the only part of the US where people raised pigs for meat, believe me. Most of the small farms in the midwest had milk cows, not meat cattle. If there is one cow providing milk for the family, that one calf that comes every year is not going to be butchered for meat unless it's a bull calf. A heifer is going to be sold or traded. Pigs were the meat animal of choice, whether they were left to run wild in the woods or kept penned, and yes, everything but the squeal was made use of. Where do you think souse, headcheese, or blood sausage came from? Or pickled pig's feet? And I can also personally attest to the fact that pigs left to run wild in the woods rooting for what they can find, are indeed tougher and stringier than corn-fed hogs.
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