Illegal immigration bill info needed (May: lawyer, insurance, military)

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by briansgi

Actually this is a myth, there is no law that has ever given illegals who give birth in this country, their offspring, US citizenship. It's been granted, but it's not a right per any law on the books or written into the constitution. Many people believe this is the case but it's simply not the fact.

I helped my son write a term paper a couple years ago on illegal immigration and was absolutely astonished at the adverse affect of having illegals in this country. Did you know the state of California is averaging opening up one new school every day of the year just due to educating illegals in their state? Did you know there have been hundred of hospitals in the border states which have had to close their doors due to giving free health care to illegals? Did you know the largest percentage of new inmates going to prison are illegal aliens? Just some of the facts we uncovered doing research on this topic.

For several years I've been an activist and member of several well known Anti "illegal" Immigration advacy groups and a member of the MinuteMen, not mention that I lived in Ca.
There's no denying of any part in your statement above. And although they are major problems contributed by overcrowding of Illegal Immigration in Ca.
they are still a small portion of what too many people don't realize is happening to this country and will only get worse if more states don't follow OK, and AZ. The Oklahoma Immigration bill."HB 1804"(effective 11/01/2007)and Arizona Immigration Bill "HB 2779"(effective 01/01/2008) have created a domino effect, there are 7-9+ other states in the proccess of initiate a new Immigration bill.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by briansgi

Actually this is a myth, there is no law that has ever given illegals who give birth in this country, their offspring, US citizenship. It's been granted, but it's not a right per any law on the books or written into the constitution. Many people believe this is the case but it's simply not the fact.

I helped my son write a term paper a couple years ago on illegal immigration and was absolutely astonished at the adverse affect of having illegals in this country. Did you know the state of California is averaging opening up one new school every day of the year just due to educating illegals in their state? Did you know there have been hundred of hospitals in the border states which have had to close their doors due to giving free health care to illegals? Did you know the largest percentage of new inmates going to prison are illegal aliens? Just some of the facts we uncovered doing research on this topic.

It may be a myth, but when one has a birth certificate from a US hospital and a social security card, it's kind of difficult to say "You aren't one of us." The town where I lived in Alaska had a large international population, from Europe to Russia to Asia to the Mid-East to India to Polynesia to South America, and for the most part, they were all legal. There were a few - very few - Hispanics [and boyoboy, did they hate being lumped together, because Cubans are not Mexicans are not Guatemalans are not Hondurans - you get the idea, I'm sure] and Filipinos, mostly. Mostly they were, if not legal, allowed to apply for citizenship after the birth of just one child in the local hospital. The legals are some of the hardest working people I've ever known, and the whole family works.

I'd be interested in how the prison statistics break down by state. Whenever someone was caught in that town, they were taken elsewhere by INS and almost immediately deported. One family I know of, the husband was Mexican and had been in the country long enough to marry a woman from East LA and move north. By the time he was finally caught, he not only had a family, he had grandchildren as well. He was deported immediately, but his whole family - all citizens - went along to help with the application and paperwork, and he was back, all legal, in less than a year. There were still others who came on work visas 20-30 years ago, married a local, and then had to go through an incredible amount of BS to prove it was a real marriage - one of the wives told me about some of the questions they had to answer, and I couldn't have come up with the right answers myself after having been married to the same man for 10 years! Not only that, they had to travel to the nearest embassy to do so, which meant an incredible amount of money spent on travel and housing during the time it took for it all to be finished.

[mkfarnam]

I've done studies on several parts of this country. I found that Alaskans are very proud of their Diversity and a high percentage of them are for Illegal Immigration.

Karibear wrote:

There were still others who came on work visas 20-30 years ago, married a local, and then had to go through an incredible amount of BS to prove it was a real marriage - one of the wives told me about some of the questions they had to answer, and I couldn't have come up with the right answers myself after having been married to the same man for 10 years! Not only that, they had to travel to the nearest embassy to do so, which meant an incredible amount of money spent on travel and housing during the time it took for it all to be finished.

No matter how long they're here, it still does not justify them for being here Illegally. If they were given a hard time and had to paid through the nose to finally become legal, so be it. They had plenty of time to do it on their own but didn't. It would have been alot easier on them by becoming Legalized on their own. We all have to pay the consequences.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I've done studies on several parts of this country. I found that Alaskans are very proud of their Diversity and a high percentage of them are for Illegal Immigration.

Karibear wrote:

No matter how long they're here, it still does not justify them for being here Illegally. If they were given a hard time and had to paid through the nose to finally become legal, so be it. They had plenty of time to do it on their own but didn't. It would have been alot easier on them by becoming Legalized on their own. We all have to pay the consequences.

The first immigrants I met were legal, in the '60s, from the Philippines. They were lawyers, architects, and college professors, who all ended up working in canneries because while they were legal, their credentials and degrees didn't carry along with them. All of them spoke and wrote a minimum of 4 languages fluently. There were some who came later who'd served with US military forces during WW II, and were also hard working and well-educated. Eventually, they started sponsoring other family members, more distantly related, and some of them came from small and relatively backwards villages, even by their own local standards. Those were the ones who, while they worked, didn't understand the concept of doing 'paperwork' because it was totally outside their life experience. But they were still hard-working - even the old grannies took care of the babies and did the laundry for all the ones young enough to do shift work or get service jobs. It wasn't just the young ones working, either. One year when I worked in a cannery, there was an old filipino, he must have been close to 80, who put in regular 10 and 12 hour days, five to seven days/week - he was the trouble-shooter for the equipment, it was so old it was always breaking down. One of the young summer kids asked him if he didn't think it was time to retire, and he just laughed and said No, he still had a family to feed. When his wife died about 10 years earlier, he'd gotten married again and had another 5 or so kids, some just starting school and some not old enough yet, and they all wanted stuff, like regular meals!

Actually, that one older Mexican guy was the only Mexican illegal I ever heard of there. And he was a very hard worker, he was a mechanic and built up a very good business, while his wife and daughters eventually opened and ran one of the best Mexican restaurants I've ever been to.

Some of the Europeans were escapees from the Cold War, they escaped from East Germany before the Wall came down, and were eventually granted asylum. Some of them married US servicemen who were stationed in Europe. There were quite a few Vietnamese after the war ended, as well as escapees from other surrounding countries. The main thing they all had in common was that they worked hard, they contributed to the local economy, and for the most part, they were well enough educated to make me feel ashamed of the American educational system. Even if their degrees didn't count in the US, they still earned them, and spoke enough languages to make me feel like a slacker. In fact, there was one little girl, about 9 or 10, in the English as a second language class, who both spoke and read Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, French, Laotian, Vietnamese, and I think Indonesian - so English wasn't her 'second' language, it was her NEXT language.

I don't favor illegal immigration per se, but I do feel positive about people who are willing to work hard and contribute to whatever community they live in - and I don't mean by taking lower-paying jobs away from locals. Prior to the early '90s, no one ever asked them if they were legal or not, just 'can you do the job?' And I admire their willingness to pick up and go someplace they hope will be better, if not for themselves, then for their children. I really don't know if I'd have the guts to do that.

Oh, and of all the ones I knew, none of them ever considered using the welfare system. They either worked for what they had and paid cash, or they did without.

[briansgi]

More disturbing facts dealing with Illegals in this country, this one involves "anchor babies", which is the term given to illegal's coming to the US just to give birth:

VDARE.com: 08/04/05 - Born in the U.S.A……to (illegal?) immigrants

[peggydavis]

Actually, prenatal care is one of the things that cannot be denied to illegal people, along with emergency medical care, disaster relief, and immunizations.

A lot of laws are made but it is how they are interpreted by the various agencies and departments that makes the difference.

I know some legal immigrants, and it was expensive, difficult, and took a very long time for them to get permanent resident status.

[briansgi]

Illegals and the impact on our justice system:

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."

[briansgi]

The impact on health care in this country due to illegal immigration, keep in mind this report only dates back to 2004, since this time more hospitals have closed their doors!!:

In TIME'S "WHO LEFT THE DOOR OPEN?" September 12, 2004, journalists Barlett and Steele exposed the ugly side of this invasion.

"The plight of Jim Dickson, a hospital administrator in Bisbee, Arizona summed it up in one image," Barlett wrote. "It's an ambulance that pulls into Copper Queen Hospital and discharges illegal aliens injured in an auto accident. The border patrol officers on orders from Washington refused to take them onto the property. Instead, the officers call an ambulance for the injured so the U.S. Government won't be responsible for hospital costs. Instead, Dickson's hospital gets stiffed."

In 2003, 77 border state hospitals spiraled into bankruptcy. Instead of putting troops on the borders to stop the invasion, Arizona Senators McCain and Kyle added a $1.4 billion bailout rider onto a Medicaid bill. Instead of doing their jobs, they made taxpayers vomit their hard-earned money into paying for the invasion's consequences. Result? It wasn't enough. Three Los Angeles area hospitals bankrupted already this year. Dickson's small hospital lost $1.4 million in the past three years. "The more free care we give," he said, "the more we have to ration what's left."

Congress mandates hospitals serve illegal aliens but fails to mandate payment. American citizens lose care and money to the invasion.

"The highest levels of the U.S. and Mexican governments have orchestrated this situation as a kind of dance," Steele reported. "Mexico sends its poor north to take jobs illegally and the U.S. arrests enough border crossers to create the illusion that it is enforcing immigration laws while allowing the majority to get through."

[briansgi]

"Cosman: Illegal Aliens and Emtala
By Dr. Madeline Cosman, Ph.D., ESQ

The influx of Illegal Aliens has devastating, hidden medical consequences. We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen. [1] Illegal Aliens’ stealthy assaults on medicine now must rouse Americans to alarmed alert. [2] Even President Bush describes Illegal Aliens only as they are seen: strong physical laborers who work hard in nasty jobs with low wages, who cultivate their families, and who pursue the American dream. What is unseen is their free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospital are closing their doors forever. [3] An important cause of these hospital closures is the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA).

What is seen is the political statistic that 43 million lives are at risk in America because those people have no health insurance. [4] What is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care. Uninsured people get medical care in hospital Emergency Rooms under the coercive EMTALA that obligates hospitals to treat the uninsured but does not pay for that care. Also unseen is the percentage of uninsured who are Illegal Aliens. No one knows how many Illegal Aliens reside in America. If 10 million, they constitute nearly 25% of the uninsured. If more, more."

[briansgi]

I've got a bunch more disturbing facts on the adverse affect of having illegal's in this country if anyone else wants me to keep posting! I think the message is clear, let's deal with the problem like Oklahoma is doing. One of the catch phrases I keep hearing from the pro illegal stance is this:
"well they are hard working and they do jobs that American workers won't do". This is the most absurd statement I've ever heard regarding the justification for coping with illegals in this country. I even heard our dumba$$ president make this same statement a few years ago.

Here's the deal, Americans will do these jobs, AT A FAIR WAGE!!!!!!!!!! Not for $4.00/hr! Think back, 30-40 years ago, didn't our concrete get poured, didn't our yards get mowed, didn't our gardens get tended to, didn't new roofs get put on houses?? Of course they did, by Americans at a decent wage! Sure the issue then becomes the cost of getting these jobs done will increase, yea, but that small amount of cost for these common laborer jobs will pale in comparison to the overall cost benefit to this country of getting rid of all the social service payouts illegals are getting now, plus housing the prison inmates!

It's time to stand up and say enough is enough!!