Can a gay, black, atheist, city bred woman survive in Grove, OK? (Tulsa: luxury)

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by debbie at bouontiful

sorry, but this isn't a live and let live State.

I've lived all over the world as well, and I can assure you that there is no such thing as a society that is free from biases and prejudice. The only thing you can do is, to avoid being discriminated against, is move to a place where people like yourself are the majority. Caucasians in the Orient are discriminated against. Caucasians in Africa are discriminated against. Every religious group in the world is discriminated against, whether it is Mormons in the south or Hindu's in Pakistan. As liberal as Holland is, there is tremendous bias against Muslims. As a straight white over 50 male, my own government pass's laws to legalize the discrimination against me. The Cherokee Nation has a 5% preference for card carrying Cherokees, the Small Business Administration has special programs just for women and minorities. Smokers are discriminated in every venue in the country. Guess what? We are ALL minorities in one way or another.

Can you buy land and keep it? Can you go to a church or not go to a church of your choice? Can you get a job, providing you are qualified? Are you allowed to sit in any cafe you want and order what you want from their menu? Can you use the roads along side every one else? Can you shop where you want? Can you pray as you want? Can you chose to vote or not vote as you want? When you go to town, do you feel you are taking your life in your hands or do you get to go when you want without fear? Can you live with whomever you want? What freedoms are being denied to any of you?

Maybe the folks that you think are discriminating against you are simply shy around strangers. Maybe they think you are pushy. Maybe they resent you buying the house you did because their nephew was trying to buy it. Maybe they are just a$$holes who don't like anyone (like me). Maybe you have an abrasive personality (I know I do). Maybe it is you who doesn't socialize (I don't). Maybe schmoozing is not your style (it isn't mine). But do not tell me there is extraordinary discrimination in Oklahoma.......there isn't.

I can't count the number of times someone moved into a community, particularly a small community, with the attitude of "here I am you lucky folks" and then get their feelings hurt when everyone else doesn't bother to notice or to applaud them sufficiently.

Some tips on moving to a small community:

• Smile at everyone.
• If you are religious, join a church.
• Make an effort to meet and join the folks at the VFD.
• Make a contribution to the VFD
• When you see someone with a garden, stop and visit and admire their work.
• Hold doors open for people at the store
• If you see someone struggling, stop and share the burden
• Attend the local ball games
• Act like you are interested in the community
• Shop local
• Be sincere.

You might also keep in mind, when you see a stranger that they may be thinking you are discriminating when you don't say hi, or hold the door, or greet them on the street. To have a friend you must be a friend. To not be discriminated against, don't discriminate.

[SeabeeBolt]

Dadgum Goodpasture your good, can I be a friend and hold this thread open for ya and say "howdy dude?!"

[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Caucasians in the Orient are discriminated against. Caucasians in Africa are discriminated against. Every religious group in the world is discriminated against, whether it is Mormons in the south or Hindu's in Pakistan. As liberal as Holland is, there is tremendous bias against Muslims. As a straight white over 50 male, my own government pass's laws to legalize the discrimination against me. The Cherokee Nation has a 5% preference for card carrying Cherokees, the Small Business Administration has special programs just for women and minorities. Smokers are discriminated in every venue in the country. Guess what? We are ALL minorities in one way or another.

... don't forget Texans who moderate CD forums! Those poor guys catch it every time they turn around~~. Least ways, ours does. But he IS a true okie. He hails from, where was it? Calvin?

To the OP, outsider123, we'd love to have you for a neighbor. Good luck to your partner on the job.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

... don't forget Texans who moderate CD forums!

Are they discriminated against or just pitied? Either way, they are the only ones that really deserve it......so long as they don't start doing the hook'em nonsense they can be tolerated. Once they start doing that we gotta go to the Cotton Bowl and remind them of whats what........

[redbird4848]

We could send our humble moderator on a mission to Grove in disguise as the OP! Sort of like as a scout, like in the olden days. Maybe GP, CG, or MK, or someone else can volunteer to "play" the partner. Case maybe?

Then just let the role playing begin. They could stop people in Grove and ask directions or something and then report back to us on how they are treated. It would make a great addition to "Reality CDF Show."

How about it, Synopse? I could post a pic of synopse here, but.... nah. Been there, done that. Remember the white gloves?

[colleeng47]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

We could send our humble moderator on a mission to Grove in disguise as the OP! Sort of like as a scout, like in the olden days. Maybe GP, CG, or MK, or someone else can volunteer to "play" the partner. Case maybe?

Then just let the role playing begin. They could stop people in Grove and ask directions or something and then report back to us on how they are treated. It would make a great addition to "Reality CDF Show."

How about it, Synopse? I could post a pic of synopse here, but.... nah. Been there, done that. Remember the white gloves?

No, no, better yet -- have three teams of volunteers go into Grove and spend two weeks there. They have to stop locals and ask for directions, and advice, and help. Then based on how they are treated, we can eliminate one team each week to see which team is the "survivor."

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

The funny part about all this, that I can see is, Outsider123 asked a question and has recieved alot of replies. But I've yet to see her answer any of the replies that she has recieved, and folks just keep given thier responses to the question. Now if that ain't the typical way the friendly folks in Oklahoma are. Just gotta love these folks.
You see Outsider123, you asked a question and the folks on this thread are nice enough to give you good honest answer.

Just my two cents worth . Lifes to short, have fun with it .

wow you are right nice people but wow if the thread poster does not respond to any reply then, I'm like talking to myself no? then I will move on.

[redbird4848]

Originally Posted by colleeng47

No, no, better yet -- have three teams of volunteers go into Grove and spend two weeks there. They have to stop locals and ask for directions, and advice, and help. Then based on how they are treated, we can eliminate one team each week to see which team is the "survivor."

ELIMINATE?!

I realize the OP doesn't know us from adam, and hopefully she will realize we like to joke around a lot here on the okie forum. But if we WERE being serious...


Voted Most Likely to Experience Culture Shock in Grove, OK?

Is it couple number 1? CG and GP?



or the crowd favorite, Synopse and Cali-Okie-Girl?





Sorry, Synopse, you have to be the old girl.

We are still waiting for volunteers to comprise Team #3....

[okcguy31]

Outsider, I can't imagine being a gay, black, atheist woman in Grove, OK. If you can swing it, you are my new hero(ine)! I am a gay white man in Oklahoma City and some times I think I can't take another moment in this city. Oklahoma is my homestate and there are things I love about it, after all, it is home. But there is much backward thinking here, even in "the city". I can only imagine the culture shock for you. I wish you the best of luck, but if I were you, I'd be pleading with my partner to reconsider.

[jessaka]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

We could send our humble moderator on a mission to Grove in disguise as the OP! Sort of like as a scout, like in the olden days. Maybe GP, CG, or MK, or someone else can volunteer to "play" the partner. Case maybe?

Then just let the role playing begin. They could stop people in Grove and ask directions or something and then report back to us on how they are treated. It would make a great addition to "Reality CDF Show."

How about it, Synopse? I could post a pic of synopse here, but.... nah. Been there, done that. Remember the white gloves?

Actually, I stopped a black couple on the streets and asked if they felt discrimintated against. I told them of a black man that wants to move here and wants to know, and they both felt that they were accepted here. They were both going to college here in town.