07-31-2018, 08:51 PM
Location: The State Of California
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When the area between Riverside and the new housing east got full up of houses and freeways, this basically narrow tunnel of rock, it really trapped the smog. In winter you could see the blue sky. Come later spring it would get a grey caste to it and then in summer the winds blew it all up from the OC as well. It was one of the worse areas for people with breathing problems, with the perfect geology to trap it where it didn't blow. When I moved, it was getting worse, and lots of people were getting the heck out for their health.
When I got to Oklahoma on a visit to a friend, I was amazed at how much you could see, but within a day I could *breath* freely again. When I got home I went to see the doctor, who said I had the breathing of someone twenty years older. So while I had a few issues with OK, breathing was one of the best ones.
Los Angeles was a series of canyons and open valleys and the areas below had creeks and a river back when Mom grew up in North Hollywood, but if you stuff enough people and cars in and area, you get air you can see. I lived on allergey meds as a teen on in the 60's. There's places in OK which are ready and waiting to become smog pits should they every fill tightly with cars and population, and even with wind blasts, the contamination which comes home grown may just hover. In addition to the cost angle, that the quality of the air here, aside from allergy mostly in seasonal bouts, is not likely to follow is a good reaso to stay.
San Bernado with more flat surrounded by mountains and a lot of manufacturing also feeds the whole area and has long had a reputation of being a smog pit at least part of the year.
I read where with all the building and growing population in OKC, they are starting to see measurable rises in smog and I really hope they take the lesson of other places before they get stuck with it too.
Back when socal was becoming the great smog out, everyone noticed and some had to move, but it was just another 'cost' of living in a vibrant place, just as being able to drive to the beach was even if you couldn't stay all day. NObody sat back and looked ahead. But doctors do test you for the strength of your breathing, how efficent or blocked or other bad things it shows. Maybe if you have small kids somewhere else would be better, but smog is an equal opportunity thing where ever you go. If you can see the air, say no.
The good thing about OKC is that they built A Streetcar and are planning on light rail plus this is the kicker ( OKC does not have any mountains or valleys).....
I remembered in California in the SoCal region the place to live to get away from the smog was down by the ocean in Long Beach and just across the border in Orange County in Seal Beach California. The Sea Breeze did a lot as far as breaking up the smog , however I still remember driving all of the freeways and actually crying because of the smog tears rolling down my face.
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08-01-2018, 12:39 AM
Location: Cushing OK
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The good thing about OKC is that they built A Streetcar and are planning on light rail plus this is the kicker ( OKC does not have any mountains or valleys).....
I remembered in California in the SoCal region the place to live to get away from the smog was down by the ocean in Long Beach and just across the border in Orange County in Seal Beach California. The Sea Breeze did a lot as far as breaking up the smog , however I still remember driving all of the freeways and actually crying because of the smog tears rolling down my face.
Yes, and appearances were also deceptive. We moved to Huntington Beach, right next to the power plant. The agent said people just get used to it. But we started hearing about health concerns about when I started having odd internal symptoms of something. Eventually I got bad enough and went to my doctor, and after some time, was diagnosed with one of those internal immune system conditions. The kind you get from contamination is not short term or episodic. Our choice to get close to the water really did cost me my health. And the smog was actually worse when you had a pocket of air you can't see and then it dissapeared.
Smog is not a hinderance, it can steal away your health too. Another reason to stay in my house in OK where if nothing else, the AIR is clean, at least in Cushing.
OKC wants money to finance their grander plans, and more business, traffic and stores will give it to them. But if they are already showing smog problems it could end up being a bad idea, but not until its bad idea long enough they are stuck with it.
As someone who can't go back and fix it, I wish cities would care more about the *health* of its citizens than its monitary success. Before the OC became its trend setting self we lived near it and it was nice, but comes the time when all you loved about it will be equalled by the alternate negative.
08-02-2018, 11:12 AM
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Here is a handy solution to your problem it's very common to have (transportation clubs) out here in California. What you do is develop a group of ladies that pool their money together and pay a member of the club to use their driving ability and skills and vehicles for the trip. My wife is wheelchair-bound and she has a friend that's also wheel chair-bound , and I'm taking them both down to San Jose California round about August 4th.
08-06-2018, 09:57 PM
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How far is Cushing from Stillwater anyway, made that trip to San Jose Saturday. 75 miles one way 150 miles round-trip.
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Give or take 25 miles one-way.
08-15-2018, 10:28 AM
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Give or take 25 miles one-way.
Wow that"s 50 miles round trip , i didn't know that Cushing was that far from Stillwater . I sure wish that they would build a hiking\bicycling trail between the two towns that also had (wilderness camping sites) . I could take my I.K.E.A. hiking tent on my back hike 20 miles camp 5 miles outside of Stillwater walk into Stillwater the next morning get myself a motel room for two days then hike back to Cushing.
I also sure wish that they would allow wilderness camping on Turkey Mountain in the city of Tulsa OK.
08-15-2018, 05:48 PM
Location: Cushing OK
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When I was down in SoCal\Long Beach California in 1978 , Riverside CA was okay. However in the 1980s 90s and 2000 well that's a different story.
I moved in 2008, and in winter you couldn't see the air. It was too cold. We nearly had snow a few times. Then spring came and it was wonderful, as the air currants weren't trapping all the car fumes yet, but as it got close to summer, you could see the grey stuff. If you look north on one of the main streets you should be able to see the mountains past Riverside and San Bernadino, but in late spring to winter all you can see is a grey smoggy curtain.
Breathing problems are a very common problems. There's really nothing you can do to get out of it but MOVE. I remember days when I could have got a bus up to the mall and enjoyed their ac, but getting TO the bus and back would wipe out the relief. I've heard its worse that since I moved.
People who came to OK from states without major smog alerts a daily feature can't understand how important it becomes to not lose that again. I think that's one reason a lot of them have moved to Stillwater. Cost is more there, but its got more to do that see if the utility people remembered to dump your trash that week (got a problem with that since they look for driveways but I don't have a driveway).
Just curious, as Stillwater becomes much more popular, how much more expensive has it become?
08-15-2018, 09:38 PM
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Just curious, as Stillwater becomes much more popular, how much more expensive has it become?
The cost of the real estate by the strip has skyrocketed, due to the construction of mid rise apartment complexes just to the east of there. It's probably suppressing new commercial development.
10-23-2018, 03:45 PM
Location: Cushing OK
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Greyhound doesn't have a bus that Run From Cushing to Stillwater? I do know that Oklahoma State University has a commuter bus that runs from Tulsa to Stillwater if you would take some classes maybe they could fulfill some of your transportation needs.
I'm not sure I'm ready for school again. And classes cost. I don't think it would be practical for the budget either. If the commuter ran from the south to Stillwater instead of Tulsa, which is north of Tulsa, it might help. I'll just have to find other things to do I guess.
I've never used uber but I *would* try it if it could provide a way up there, but when I loaded it on my phone to check, it showed only ONE driver in Cushing who worked for them.....
It's a choice though, one that won't work out great somewhere and in this case might not work. If maybe I try to get to the convention (science fiction/fantasy) which is held in the late spring, I'll look harder. It was one of the smaller ones but awesome and as fannish as the ones in California.
And I have some new, young furfaces to get acquainted and love, in memory of the older ones who passed onto kitty paradise recently out of old age so the house won't ever seem as lonely as it did when the last of my older kids passed on.
As far as how the different areas of OK, I came knowing it was largely rural. My friend who talked me into moving here grew very ill and I didn't feel really all that welcome with her roomates. But I came knowing that transportation could become a problem and still do not regret the move. Coming from the fast pace and hurry up always of socal, its still a welcome retreat which fits what I wish now much more than my home state.
Here, once in a while dinner out or some kind of neat trip would be welcome, but not too often. Finding some people who are into science fiction fandom or especially filking would be wonderful. People who only sorta speak your 'language' and wouldn't know what any fannish joke was about wouldn't really help. There is ONE reall good convention in okc though and just maybe again....
I think that one thing which makes a move a sucess is when you go *knowing* that it might not be perfect, but you give it a chance and take people at their best behavior and then get used to you and see how well you come to actually mesh. And remember you don't have to be perfect and neither do they.
10-23-2018, 03:50 PM
Location: Cushing OK
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Will you do me this one favor , i'm chomping at the bit to find out what the round trip cost is of a uber trip from Cushing to Stillwater Oklahoma is....curious minds would
like to know(?)
That I'd like to know too. If it was to the yearly convention in okc I'd wonder about that too. It was one of the best and most welcome and laid back scifi cons I've ever attended, especially as someone who came knowing nobody and left with what I'm sure would be friends if they didn't live so much far away.
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Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)