[Crosstimbers Okie]

Why would OSP scare anyone? Be scared when the thugs get out of OSP, not when they are in it.

[debbie at bouontiful]

Originally Posted by Crosstimbers Okie

Why would OSP scare anyone? Be scared when the thugs get out of OSP, not when they are in it.

Well your right, but those that get out tend to stay in the area!!!!!

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by debbie at bouontiful

Well your right, but those that get out tend to stay in the area!!!!!

Bull. Debbie, what source are you citing for that statement? I have worked for DOC for 10 years, and would appreciate it if you tell us where you are getting your information.

In the first place, the population at OSP is forever changing except for Death Row. Most are moved there because of violent assaults on staff and other inmates. But there is only so much room at OSP.

If the inmate maintains a clear conduct for over a year, they move on down the security chain to other facilities across the state, because there are always new inmates being needed to move to OSP. Like the last time UAB's and OAB's got into it at OSR. And there are only so many beds available at OSP, so they have to move some out in order to make room.

Most inmates go back to the counties they fall out of, meaning if someone is from Tulsa or OKC County, they will most likely move back to the area they came from. Second, most discharges are from Jackie Brannon, which is minimum security. Those at OSP have longer sentences (many are Lifers) and very few actually parole or discharge from OSP.

[karibear]

I've never been in prison myself, but I've known quite a few people who have - Alaska was [probably still is] a popular place for people to either 'lose' themselves or make a fresh start in life. I don't know of a single one who would have chosen to live in the same town where they'd been incarcerated. It would have been a daily reminder of a bad time in their life, to put it mildly. Some do go back to wherever home was, more want to get as far away as possible. Until 9-11 it was pretty easy to change names, and a lot of them did that in order to escape from their past legal history. Some were successful at remaking themselves and a new life, others kept on repeating the same kind of mistakes that got them in trouble in the first place. But still, the trouble they got into wasn't anywhere near the prison where they'd spent time. In fact, I've only heard of one instance where that happened, a serial killer who begged the warden not to let him go when his sentence was up because he knew he'd kill again - he was turned loose, and he did, and that was apparently the beginning of a spree.

[_redbird_]

True, karibear. Now, if an imate gets a job on work release while in prison, like they do here in Holdenville at the Earl Davis Work Center, and that employer promises to keep them on, those individuals will stay to work.

The strange part is many MANY inmates are actually good, hard workers. They just get mixed up in alcohol and drugs and self-destruct. (the power of addiction at work.) And if they have burned all their bridges, they may actually WANT to avoid their "old neighborhood". I know, because I do a lot of the home offers and job offers for offenders getting out. And I work with the "wrap around" program which is the Re-Entry program.

But for the most part, the point I want to make for those relocating to McAlester is, it's not like OSP (which IS a scary place) is letting out killers and rapists which will soon be your neighbor.

I always recommend people to research the web for crime maps, where you can plug in a city and get the types of crimes reported and the number of crimes reported in that neighborhood. It's a valuable resource.

You would be surprised how many quaint neighborhoods are riddled with burglaries and auto burglaries or sex offenders.

McAlester's property crime levels tend to be about the same as Oklahoma's average level. The same data shows violent crime levels in McAlester tend to be lower than Oklahoma's average level.

McAlester Profile | McAlester OK

Crime: The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 56. The number of murders and homicides was 1. The violent crime rate was 3.2 per 1,000 people.

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Type 2007
Murders 0
per 100,000 0.0

Rapes 7
per 100,000 38.0

Robberies 11
per 100,000 59.7

Assaults 34
per 100,000 184.6

Burglaries 194
per 100,000 1053.5

Thefts 881
per 100,000 4784.4

Auto thefts 36
per 100,000 195.5

Arson 1
per 100,000 5.4

City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) McAlester= 366.0

http://www.city-data.com/city/McAlester-Oklahoma.html

[karibear]

Okay, I finally remembered the name of that serial killer - it was Henry Lee Lucas. You can find all you want just googling him - probably a lot more than you'd want, actually. But he certainly wasn't typical of anything at all, not even a typical serial killer.

[debbie at bouontiful]

I am sorry redbird. Didn't mean any harm.

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by debbie at bouontiful

I am sorry redbird. Didn't mean any harm.

Oh, no harm. I just happen to have spent a lot of time around inmates. I have stories that would curl the paint on your walls. I used to read all the gory details on the crimes committed by inmates on Death Row.

I think you provide valuable insights into another side of McAlester that needs to be heard. I just wanted to add a different perspective. I should apologize to you if I came across too strong.

Since I have never lived in McAlester, I will just butt out!

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by debbie at bouontiful

Well your right, but those that get out tend to stay in the area!!!!!

I've been working in prisons since 1990 and just exactly once have I seen a former inmate in public.

The last place they want to be when they leave is around a prison.

[econner81]

have you ever gone to the city counsel meetings part are open and should be .Iwas there no one else was they post the meetings online but they are emamty seats in the viewing gallary .were are the civic minded citacens to witness the moitions or object the ones they set there not blind we are.