[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

And it doesn't do much good to counter you with the looney anti-gay rantings of Sally Kern. Because you can counter by saying that two years ago Oklahoma City sent Oklahoma's first openly gay state representative to the State Capitol and this year he didn't have to run for reelection because, strangely enough, he had no opposition. That's the other side of the story that needs to be told when bringing up Sally Kern.

Who is Sally Kern?

[Justin1984]

Tahlequah is the most liberal town in Oklahoma. Northeastern State University is the most liberal. No one realizes this, but it is. NSU started off as a School for Women back in the 1840s. More so than Norman or Tulsa, Tahlequah is influenced by the University there. Tahlequah like Tulsa has a female Mayor.

Eastern Oklahoma has always been more progressive and liberal than western Oklahoma.

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by Justin1984

Tahlequah is the most liberal town in Oklahoma. Northeastern State University is the most liberal. No one realizes this, but it is. NSU started off as a School for Women back in the 1840s. More so than Norman or Tulsa, Tahlequah is influenced by the University there. Tahlequah like Tulsa has a female Mayor.

Eastern Oklahoma has always been more progressive and liberal than western Oklahoma.

Interesting comment about Tahlequah. You will be hard pressed to find many liberals here. I found some. Perhaps if you go to the university or know professors or go to the unitarian church here you will find them.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by jessaka

Interesting comment about Tahlequah. You will be hard pressed to find many liberals here. I found some. Perhaps if you go to the university or know professors or go to the unitarian church here you will find them.

The same can be said for Stillwater except the liberals are more activist oriented. In Stillwater they run the grass roots organizations, such as the Drug Policy Forum of Oklahoma and OK Medical Marijuana. Other liberals have tried to get without success for the city council to endorse objections that some of President Bush's nationial security plans are unconstitutional.

And the director of the ACLU, Joann Bell, over the years has attended several meetings put on by the liberal grass roots organizations in Stillwater. Also in Stillwater for at least several years anti war protesters have met on the courthouse lawn with their signs every Wednesday. I wonder if the same things can be said for Tahlequah. If not, I'd say that Stillwater is probably as liberal of a place as it gets in Oklahoma.

[HeatherDawn]

The thing that balances Stillwater out is having all us ag kids at OSU! Oklahoma is probably the most conservative state. I think as America leans more left, stubborn Okies push back by getting more conservative. That's just fine with me and one of the reasons I'm so happy here!

[Fairfielder]

Originally Posted by HeatherDawn

The thing that balances Stillwater out is having all us ag kids at OSU! Oklahoma is probably the most conservative state. I think as America leans more left, stubborn Okies push back by getting more conservative. That's just fine with me and one of the reasons I'm so happy here!

That is an encouraging sentiment for me to hear, HeatherDawn. Keep up the good work

Although I'm focusing on the Tulsa area, I'm still gathering all the info I can about all things OK. Wherever we land (if I can convince the Missus) I can assure you all that we won't try to change things there. That's why we need to be sure we can find a place that "fits" us. Thanks again for the info you all provide here on the forum.

[TU 'cane]

Too conservative? Then move. Haha, just kidding, a little diversity isn't bad.

[okcpulse]

Originally Posted by HeatherDawn

The thing that balances Stillwater out is having all us ag kids at OSU! Oklahoma is probably the most conservative state. I think as America leans more left, stubborn Okies push back by getting more conservative. That's just fine with me and one of the reasons I'm so happy here!

Oklahoma is a conservative state, but it is not the most conservative... not by a long shot. Not that I want it to be all liberal, either. Oklahoma is a very balanced state, and people need to stop looking at political voting habits to judge the opinion of a state's population.

Utah is no doubt the most conservative, from the laws on the books to the culture and day to day life. Texas is VERY conservative. The reason Texas 'looks' liberal to Oklahoma is because the state has three large burghs, and once a city reaches burgh status, there are pockets of everything. But that doesn't make it liberal.

Texas has enough televangelists and giant churches to run circles around Oklahoma, many of whom are in Dallas and Houston. Kansas has a deep conservative past, being the longest running dry state in the nation. Kansas is also home to one of the nation's most ultra-conservative cities - Newton. Have you ever met anyone from central Missouri? They are tough on outsiders, and they are especially tough when you mention you are Catholic. Look at Colorado Springs, a major destination for bible boot camps of charasmatic evangelist parents. My point is... stop singling out Oklahoma. We're not alone in the Christian universe. And besides, people need to stop beating up on anyone who is a Christian. We need to begin to sort out the differences between Christianity and staunch religious behavior. There is a difference.

In Oklahoma, too many places are balanced not by liberals or conservatives, but down-to-earth people. But our state has gotten into a bad habit of getting hung up on a few politicians who do and say stupid things without giving it any forethought. Every state has a handful of politicians who are the village idiots, namely Texas. But you don't see Texans diving behind a door out of fear their reputation was stripped naked and tarnished before the nation like you do Oklahomans.

[karibear]

I think MO - especially St Louis - is one of the most conservative places in the country, which is one of many reasons I left as soon as I could. However, even back in the day when I first started college there, there was SNCC, CORE, SDS, and a whole slew of other alphabet soup organizations. But for the most part, the various places I've lived have been pretty balanced, all things considered, no matter what the official political statement/leanings were.

[Fairfielder]

There is very little balance in my neck of the woods; Southern CT. Perhaps it isn't as militant-liberal as the Pacific NW, but it is definitely NOT conservative. This is why I appreciate the conservative views of college-ish age people like HeatherDawn. (Or maybe I just appreciate that she is one of the seemingly few who filled out her profile. I'm getting mighty tired of looking at all of your blank profiles on this forum... you know who you are...c'mon and at least just make something up that's funny.)

I'm not looking to move based solely on how an area voted in an election, but I'm at a point in my life where I feel I can be a little self indulgent and try to enjoy the company of those with whom I have more in common with rather than less.

I don't look at OKies as the stereotypical "backwoods crazy religious types" that some have described on the forums, but I acknowledge that most people that I know do make those jokes. This is exactly the type of attitude that I am tired of here. I am forever listening to "educated" people constantly make uninformed degrading comments about others that they feel are different than them.

The characteristics that frustrate me most in my region are the feelings of entitlement that many show in their every day actions and the lack of accountability when these same types do something wrong. I know these traits aren't specific to the NorthEast (are they?). This is also not a blanket statement as I do know some really great people, too. After all, I'm here