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Originally Posted by D-Towner

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Google newsgroup abbrevs. There are pages and pages of them. Most have been bowdlerized for today's kids, like they haven't already heard it all. Some of them are shortcut ways to avoid typing much longer words and phrases, some are just slang, some are ways to disguise truly raunchy language. A lot of them are used nowadays in texting, as well.

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by linicx

Most Indian towns are poor.

Whatever, dude.

[D-Towner]

Originally Posted by linicx

Talequah is the natioaal headquarters of the Cherokee Tribe. it is an Indian town. Most Indian towns are poor. I do not believe Talequah is an exception. Grove is not an Indian town. The economy has always be robust as it is a top retirement area, plus Grove offers many things that Talequah does not.

Whites appear to compose the dominant demographic group in Tahlequah; however, there is an above average American Indian population (mostly Cherokee I presume).

[lasomeday]

Yeah, not all American Indians are poor. The 5 civilized tribes in Oklahoma are well educated and doing pretty good. The Cherokees are probably doing the best. There are a lot throughout Oklahoma and it ticks me off the Lincx thinks he knows everything about Indians in Oklahoma and he lives in Illinois and visits his retirement home in Grove once a year.

I love the diverse small Indian towns in Oklahoma. Pawnee and Pawhuska are my favorites. Pawnee has a few Pow Wows a year, and Pawhuska has a very unique downtown with one of the best restaurants in the world. The Whizbang Cafe..... I hope it is still open. Also the area is beautiful too. Sure these towns aren't wealthy in the $ sense but the are wealthy in the things that matter.

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Originally Posted by linicx

Talequah is the natioaal headquarters of the Cherokee Tribe. it is an Indian town. Most Indian towns are poor. I do not believe Talequah is an exception. Grove is not an Indian town. The economy has always be robust as it is a top retirement area, plus Grove offers many things that Talequah does not.

linicx, I think you are stereotyping Native American towns. Poor is a relative term and I grew up in a Native American town. We were not poor, at least as far as the most important part goes, which is ethics and morale. My NA friends were some of the best people we ever knew.

[Xotik]

My goodness, the negativity about Tahlequah! This is such a friendly town. The people are so down to earth and helpful and ask you how you are and how your days been. They leave their doors unlocked, the car windows down. Just laid back!

They could use a bit of creativity with the store and business selection, but I think they like what they have here just fine. The Indian population is not all poor. Also, most of the Indians here are mixed white. and visa versa it seems. So if you want to call the Indians poor, you're going to have to call the whites poor, because most of them have some degree of Cherokee or another type of Native mixture. People live comfortably here and I don't see any bums... well aside from 3 that it seems the entire town would know by face. That's pretty good. There are beautiful neighborhoods here and not so beautiful neighborhoods here, just like you'd have anywhere else. Every where is about 5-7 minutes of each other and all of the basic necessities are here. If you're looking for a Hobby Lobby and a Mall it's only 40 minutes away in Muskogee.

It's nice here and although it's a college town, there are plenty of communities here where you won't have your loud and noisy college kids!

Also, all of this is coming from a native New Yorker living in this quaint town!

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I went to a funeral outside of Tahlequah. It is indeed beautiful country. And we were way off the beaten path on the eastern side of Tahlequah. Hit the dirt roads to a Cherokee cemetery. All the christian hymns were sung in Cherokee. It was a beautiful send off to the person making his last journey.

I am thinking linicx is referring to reservations. In the past places like Pine Ridge were known as the poorest county of the poorest counties. But in Oklahoma, there is no Indian town per se and no true reservations.

And anyway, the last time I checked, the so called middle class ~regardless of race~ are about two paychecks away from poverty and homelessness. But we won't go there.

[linicx]

First of all Ilved in OK for a number of years. The indian towns I was in were poor. The last time I was in Talequah it was dirty. Maybe the extremely dry windy summer had something to do with it.

I know many NA natives because they were neighbors. And I've been to a more than a few pow-wows too. I've shopped in NA stores and gamed in NA casinos. If would like to see the difference I invite you all to the Inn of the Mountain Gods in New Mexico outside of Riodosa.

Years ago one of the Tulsa stations signed off with the Lords Prayer in a native language. It was beautiful and awe inspriring thing I ever heard. Tbe Five Tribes may be wealthy, but the Nine Tribes by comparison are not. Miami, Jay, Peoria, Seneca, Wyandotte, Commerce and Fairland are not particularly wealthy areas. Four of the towns are tribal headquarters. And I've been in NA homes where I was mortified at how badly they were treated by our loving government. The rocky ground would not support grass, let alone a garden or a chicken. The farther west you travel in the US, the more badly our original Americans are treated by our government. For example the res in northeren AZ where there is no running water or sewage or phone to the homes, and certainly no clinic or school nearby. And by the way, one of the best NA doctors I ever found was in a clinic. Very smart, I know his teacher.

I made a special trip to Talequah on Sunday. I was facinated by the history and the fact my ancestor was supposedly on the first Board of Regents at the collete. It was a beautiful drive that follows the course of the Illinois River. I saw nothing special in Talequah to make it stand out. In fact I did not even see a restaurant - and the only people in town on foot were college age. I saw nothing to even indcate a college was located there. It may well be a beautiful town with a state college. I won't argue that, but I stand by what I said. I did not see it the day I was there.

[linicx]

Originally Posted by lasomeday

YThere are a lot throughout Oklahoma and it ticks me off the Lincx thinks he knows everything about Indians in Oklahoma and he lives in Illinois and visits his retirement home in Grove once a year.

[EarthBound?]

We'll let you know, we're going there today to take a look around as well as Muskogee. But we'll be looking at both towns with open minds and open hearts.