[lasomeday]

Linicx maybe you should have taken time to find the college. It is awe inspiring. It used to be the Cherokee school. It is very unique and old.

Most of the tribes are doing better now with the gambling money. Tulsa is an Indian town and I guess you could say is doing pretty good.

[linicx]

Fair enough. Your commets are appreciated and well made. And I would have gone to the college - if I had directions. Unfortunately the directions the locals gave were vague and based on the assumpton that I knew the town, even though I stated clearly it was my first visit to Talequah.

Actually, I am glad to know the tribes, as a whole, are doing well. It has been a very long hard struggle for all of our original Americans. They certainly deserve better that want they had from the white man for the last 300+ years. It's about time they got a break. Now, here's a piece of history.

The land I bought in Grove orignially belonged to the Cherokee Trive. The first peice of land a white man bought from an Indian was in Grove before Oklahoma Territory was granted statehood. I read the abstract. It was a real thrill to hold that and read it. I noticed it was long and wordy. The owner said it was a direct result of colonial lawyers. They were paid by the word and if they did not write long and well, they did not eat well. Lawyers still write the same way.

The abstract company was owned by a NA family since the first land deal. It was unfortunate that after the father retired the son ran it into the ground. He was too busy drinking and doing drugs to do the work. I had a deed sit for two months, and finally had to move it to the new title company to get the title cleared. It still took several weeks to 'fix' because the land had to be resurveyed before a new title could be issued. The original survey was made by the owner off the wrong pin. Lawyers thereafter repeated his mistake. I would have never known if the neighbor had not complained my title took one foot of his land. The last lawyer on the tille paid for the survey and new title and left town.

The Seneca's built a casino outside of Grove; the had live Bingo games. . The third year thay brought in gaming tables and Las Vegas style poker. They boys in the playpen shut down the casino and then whined that fall they state coffers were short 20M. It was reopened under another group, but it has never been the same nor as much fun. And of course, the Seneca's are not doing nearly as well as they did, or they could. Tnis is the difference between Tulsa and the Five Tribes and the Nine Tribes. All of the tribes in NE OK have the same problem.

[GayleTX]

Do they still do the Trail of Tears pageant there in the summers?

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by GayleTX

Do they still do the Trail of Tears pageant there in the summers?

In Tahlequah, yes.

[EarthBound?]

We folks, the wife and I got a good look at Tahlequah. And I hate to say it, but it wasn't what I had hoped for, lots of run down buildings and most of the neighborhoods needed a large amount of TLC. It doesn't take money to pick-up the yards and clean around the houses ie some weeding and a little bit of paint goes along way and can cover a multitude of sins on a house. I'm not sure what the job status is like there, but it did seem to have lots of empty buildings. Tahlequah was on out list of towns to look at for possibly moving to in the future, but saddly to say we removed it .

Muskogee was a little better, but I think for now we're going to keep looking. Next time we'll have to see how Poteau, Wagoner and Sallisaw measure up. Oklahoma is still No.1 on our list, especially for me, I still love Oklahoma and her people.

Now we did run into a little town called "Medicine Park" . quite charming and it had loads of character with a wonderful back drop of the Wichita Mountains. Very lovely, with lots of possibilities.

[StillwaterTownie]

Gee, I'm sorry to learn of the sad tale of how Tahlequah looks like since I haven't been there. Since Spring has hardly started things will look worse overgrown.

Probably Tahlequah needs a city codes officer like Stillwater has, who goes around putting up notices and harassing people to clean up and control their property. Like if poison ivy is growing in your yard you'll risk getting a notice taped to your door to get rid of it. The officer will even take a picture of the offending plant to accompany the notice. You'll will be provoking such things, for sure, if school children use the sidewalk on your property to walk to school. Dogs aren't allowed to run around, out of control, either.

Anyway, I think the code enforcement, and who knows, maybe even old fashioned pride, keeps Stillwater from looking any more run down and weather beaten than it does.

I've been to Medicine Park before. Yes, a very charming and different place for Oklahoma. I'm glad you discovered it.

[mkfarnam]

I've notice that some towns in OK. are not improved, they're moved. That's why there are so many ghost towns.........includng Duncan

[Mattie Jo]

interesting. I don't see that in Tahlequah but think that muskogee is too run down. Can't imagine where you were in Tahlequah to see all that.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

We folks, the wife and I got a good look at Tahlequah. And I hate to say it, but it wasn't what I had hoped for, lots of run down buildings and most of the neighborhoods needed a large amount of TLC. It doesn't take money to pick-up the yards and clean around the houses ie some weeding and a little bit of paint goes along way and can cover a multitude of sins on a house. I'm not sure what the job status is like there, but it did seem to have lots of empty buildings. Tahlequah was on out list of towns to look at for possibly moving to in the future, but saddly to say we removed it .

I did a lot of looking on line at real estate all over the country before I settled on OK. You wouldn't believe how many places were being sold as 'fixer uppers' just because they needed their lawns cleaned, trash removed, or new paint inside. Some of those lawns were small enough that I could have done them with a pair of scissors, too. Most of these places were urban, but there were a lot in the suburbs and some were rural, and there were photos of the neighborhoods as well. Some weren't all that great, some were really nice, and the 'fixer' was always the eyesore on the block. Seemed like a crying shame to me.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I've notice that some towns in OK. are not improved, they're moved.

MK, I'm still scratching my head over trying to figure out what you just said...