[Mattie Jo]

Of course there are worse things to dislike in Cherokee Co. We have a lot of men beating their animals and women. The police here give women guns to protect themselves, but they don't teach any of them how to use it, but if they accidently kill their husbands with the gun they can easily go to prison. It is a good ol' boy system here.

Cherokee Co. is actually a democratic county, but this year it went republican due to the racism that people have here.

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[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by Mattie Jo

Of course there are worse things to dislike in Cherokee Co. We have a lot of men beating their animals and women. The police here give women guns to protect themselves, but they don't teach any of them how to use it, but if they accidently kill their husbands with the gun they can easily go to prison. It is a good ol' boy system here.

Cherokee Co. is actually a democratic county, but this year it went republican due to the racism that people have here.

Are you saying that anyone that didn't vote for Obama is racist? And the police are giving guns to women to protect themselves? I find that last one hard to believe. It would attract nationwide news. As for racism, I have no way of confirming or denying that.

I don't know Mattie Jo, but this post sounds like it's loaded with preconceptions and misinformation. I could be wrong though; it's happened on too many occasions to count before, and I do not live there so...

[EarthBound?]

Sorry Mattie Jo,

But, there are no such thing as a perfect small or large town, and I never said that I was looking for one. But, what I'm saying is, that if the whole town pulls together to impove thier community, the town as a whole will benefit from it. They don't have to be a Mayberry RFD, just showing so pride in your community is a step up. I see a lot of this small town pull together when it comes to some mindless sports like football or basketball, but they don't pull together when it come to a little hard work and backbone to keep the town looking good.

And as for the racism and the good'ol boy system, well, I would have to say that would hinge on the republican side of the political realm. Democrats usually tend to side with, "live and let live" and equal rights. Especially when you look at history and see that slavery and other atrocities like that came out of the south which is by large more republican than democrat. Oh, and they call themselves the "BIBLE BELT", theres an oxymoron if I've ever seen one .

And if I new that they had such a problem with domestic crimes and the police were handing out guns to women like candy, which I find a little hard to believe . And, if I new that there was a good market for training these women. Well then I would have jumped at the chance to be an instructor in a Armed Self Defense Courses. You see, I was a certified weapons intructor in the Navy SeaBees and would love the chance to teach these ladies how to handle thierselves in an armed conflict. You know, "Don't slap'em, when you can pop a cap in'm", now that would be a good slogan on the front door of the training course.

You see Mattie Jo, all I'm saying is, when the whole town stands together as one and works hard to keep thier community strong. Opportunities for the communty have a habit of presenting themselves that benifit the town as a whole. And Tahlequah has lots of potential to being a wonferfully beautiful little town, if they would only work together to make it so.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

Sorry Mattie Jo,

But, there are no such thing as a perfect small or large town, and I never said that I was looking for one. But, what I'm saying is, that if the whole town pulls together to impove thier community, the town as a whole will benefit from it. They don't have to be a Mayberry RFD, just showing so pride in your community is a step up. I see a lot of this small town pull together when it comes to some mindless sports like football or basketball, but they don't pull together when it come to a little hard work and backbone to keep the town looking good.

And as for the racism and the good'ol boy system, well, I would have to say that would hinge on the republican side of the political realm. Democrats usually tend to side with, "live and let live" and equal rights. Especially when you look at history and see that slavery and other atrocities like that came out of the south which is by large more republican than democrat. Oh, and they call themselves the "BIBLE BELT", theres an oxymoron if I've ever seen one .

And if I new that they had such a problem with domestic crimes and the police were handing out guns to women like candy, which I find a little hard to believe . And, if I new that there was a good market for training these women. Well then I would have jumped at the chance to be an instructor in a Armed Self Defense Courses. You see, I was a certified weapons intructor in the Navy SeaBees and would love the chance to teach these ladies how to handle thierselves in an armed conflict. You know, "Don't slap'em, when you can pop a cap in'm", now that would be a good slogan on the front door of the training course.

You see Mattie Jo, all I'm saying is, when the whole town stands together as one and works hard to keep thier community strong. Opportunities for the communty have a habit of presenting themselves that benifit the town as a whole. And Tahlequah has lots of potential to being a wonferfully beautiful little town, if they would only work together to make it so.

Well said and explained SeabeeBolt..

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by SeabeeBolt

And as for the racism and the good'ol boy system, well, I would have to say that would hinge on the republican side of the political realm. Democrats usually tend to side with, "live and let live" and equal rights.

I have to disagree with you on this one SeabeeBolt, strongly. I wonder why you would want to move to a staunchly conservative state if you disagree with conservative philosophy and think that republicans are racists? Please don't try and deny what you said above; it's clear that you believe Republicans/conservatives tend to lean toward the racist side.

You do realize that Oklahoma is a conservative stronghold, do you not? If you and yours believe that republicans lean to the racist side (which WE do NOT), why would you wish to move to Oklahoma, where the entire state is as about as RED (conservative) as it gets? Obviously this state that is strongly conservative has a lot of racists based on your observation above, so why would you wish to move there? This is a serious question friend.

I also strongly disagree with your observation of the Democrats tending to side with the "live and let live" philosophy.

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

Are you saying that anyone that didn't vote for Obama is racist? And the police are giving guns to women to protect themselves? I find that last one hard to believe. It would attract nationwide news. As for racism, I have no way of confirming or denying that.

I don't know Mattie Jo, but this post sounds like it's loaded with preconceptions and misinformation. I could be wrong though; it's happened on too many occasions to count before, and I do not live there so...

I am not saying that all republicans are racist. i said that that the democrats went republican because of a black man. how many went that way; i don't know, but all i heard during the election was racist remarks, and the point on racism came from a long time resident, and that same person works in the court system and told me about the guns being handed out to women, etc. Would handing out guns attract nationwide news; i doubt it.

do we have a good ol' boy system here. you betcha. that i learned on my own, and then was told about it by others.
is that a bad thing? i don't think so. but if the police do side with a man over a woman in the case of a woman being beaten, then that is a bad thing.

As to animal cruelty, it is horrible here. I have heard too many stories, and I saw a dog that had been hit with an axe or other sharp object on his forehead. He was up for adoption. People here dump dogs, and we have a lot of feral cats. I have lived in the country much of my life and in small towns and never saw such cruelty. It is hard to find homes for these animals.

It would be nice if the town pulled together and got others to clean up their yards, but then that could be stepping on toes, even if you offered to paint certain houses. we have yet to paint our house, and it would be nice if the town's people came over and helped. lol. i would love the mainstreet to be fixed more old fashioned than it is, and that takes money. the shops are painted, but they are not all cute. planter boxes were once put out front, but no one watered them, so they all died, so very few stores have them anymore. very few businesses or people have the money to be put into fixing up store fronts, etc. Empty bldgs. are up for sale and no one buys them. and then these horrible modern blgs. get put up on the south end of town and down downing, and if i had a zap gun i would destroy them all, leave the people standing. lol.

most people in cherokee county are democrats, but there were enough racists to cause this county to go for bush. and yes, many of these people are good ol' fashioned christians. you just learn to accept that people are hard to change, and you hang out with those that are not racists, whether they are democrats or republicans or whatever.

As for guns being handed out. Your husband has to be abusive and you have to fear for your life and then sign papers to get the gun. That is the least they can do. But you best not kill your man.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

I have to disagree with you on this one SeabeeBolt, strongly. I wonder why you would want to move to a staunchly conservative state if you disagree with conservative philosophy and think that republicans are racists? Please don't try and deny what you said above; it's clear that you believe Republicans/conservatives tend to lean toward the racist side.

You do realize that Oklahoma is a conservative stronghold, do you not? If you and yours believe that republicans lean to the racist side (which WE do NOT), why would you wish to move to Oklahoma, where the entire state is as about as RED (conservative) as it gets? Obviously this state that is strongly conservative has a lot of racists based on your observation above, so why would you wish to move there? This is a serious question friend.

I also strongly disagree with your observation of the Democrats tending to side with the "live and let live" philosophy.

Well, I find myself strongly disagreeing with Synopsis. As an native Okie it has by far been my experience that conservative Republican types in Oklahoma tend to be on the racist side. It explains why so many of them would not think of voting for Obama, though they would simply tell you it's because he's a liberal. On the other hand, from my long experience of living in Oklahoma it is the Democrats who have a "live and let live" philosophy, such as letting homosexuals live as they wish in a legal fashion without harshly judging them for it. I think most people who actually live in Oklahoma would agree with me quite easily.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

Well, I find myself strongly disagreeing with Synopsis. As an native Okie it has by far been my experience that conservative Republican types in Oklahoma tend to be on the racist side. It explains why so many of them would not think of voting for Obama, though they would simply tell you it's because he's a liberal. On the other hand, from my long experience of living in Oklahoma it is the Democrats who have a "live and let live" philosophy, such as letting homosexuals live as they wish in a legal fashion without harshly judging them for it. I think most people who actually live in Oklahoma would agree with me quite easily.

Then why would Seabeebolt, who believes that this conservative state (which in his opinion leans towards racism) is a place for he and his family to be? That is my question.

it has by far been my experience that conservative Republican types in Oklahoma tend to be on the racist side. It explains why so many of them would not think of voting for Obama, though they would simply tell you it's because he's a liberal.

BTW, it appears by the above quote you are reaching quite a bit and making a decision based on people's votes, IN YOUR OPINION. Just because someone voted against President Obama does not mean that they are racist, which is what you are implying, because you do not know what is in their hearts.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

BTW, it appears by the above quote you are reaching quite a bit and making a decision based on people's votes, IN YOUR OPINION. Just because someone voted against President Obama does not mean that they are racist, which is what you are implying, because you do not know what is in their hearts.

I can't speak for Stillwater Townie, but I have friends on both sides of that political fence, including Republicans who voted for Obama and Democrats who voted for Palin [McCain was secondary in their opinion]. And I do know what was in their hearts, because they told me to the point of nausea, over and over again, trying to get me to commit to THEIR point of view. No idea why any of them thought they'd succeed in that, they all know I flatly refuse to discuss either politics or religion. I'd rather keep my friends as friends.

[EarthBound?]

[quote=SeabeeBolt;8211977]Sorry Mattie Jo,


And as for the racism and the good'ol boy system, well, I would have to say that would hinge on the republican side of the political realm. Democrats usually tend to side with, "live and let live" and equal rights. Especially when you look at history and see that slavery and other atrocities like that came out of the south which is by large more republican than democrat. Oh, and they call themselves the "BIBLE BELT", theres an oxymoron if I've ever seen one .

Originally Posted by Synopsis

I have to disagree with you on this one SeabeeBolt, strongly. I wonder why you would want to move to a staunchly conservative state if you disagree with conservative philosophy and think that republicans are racists? Please don't try and deny what you said above; it's clear that you believe Republicans/conservatives tend to lean toward the racist side.

You do realize that Oklahoma is a conservative stronghold, do you not? If you and yours believe that republicans lean to the racist side (which WE do NOT), why would you wish to move to Oklahoma, where the entire state is as about as RED (conservative) as it gets? Obviously this state that is strongly conservative has a lot of racists based on your observation above, so why would you wish to move there? This is a serious question friend.

I also strongly disagree with your observation of the Democrats tending to side with the "live and let live" philosophy.

Synopsis,

I didn't say that it was racist because they were republicans. I said that it "hinged on the republican side" and that dems "tended" to live an let live". Those aren't exact statements, they are statements of generality. And I find that the folks in Oklahoma, even if they are republicans seems to be the type of folks that don't care what you are, as much as they do of who you are. Unlike in the deep south, they will sit there and pound the Bible with one hand and shove a knife in your back with the other. Okies are face value type of folks, no shrouds, no two faces, just up front, this is who I am. And I like that type of person.

But you do have to admit, that in the "60's", most of the problems in the south, those folks "hinged" on the faced that they were replublicans.