[Synopsis]

It's not elevation that determines a mountain; if that was the case then (as you said) Guymon and Amarillo would be considered mountains.

That many people "think" a mountain is anything over 2000 feet is not erroneous. Below is the the definition of a mountain.

"A natural elevation of the earth's surface rising more or less abruptly to a summit, and attaining an altitude greater than that of a hill, usually greater than 2000 ft. (610 m)."

The key word being "summit."

Cheers,

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

It's not elevation that determines a mountain; if that was the case then (as you said) Guymon and Amarillo would be considered mountains.

That many people "think" a mountain is anything over 2000 feet is not erroneous. Below is the the definition of a mountain.

"A natural elevation of the earth's surface rising more or less abruptly to a summit, and attaining an altitude greater than that of a hill, usually greater than 2000 ft. (610 m)."

The key word being "summit."

Cheers,

My use of the word "relief" means the difference between the base to the summit.

I lived in Poteau and most of the people there thought that Cavanal had an actual elevation of 1999 feet above sea level when in fact it is 2385 feet.

It is possible that they are measuring from the Poteau river to the summit. I suppose that could be a 1999 ft change in elevation. However the official elevation of the city of Poteau is supposedly the courthouse and it is 497 feet.

[Synopsis]

I was simply pointing out the error of your post by saying that people who "think" that a mountain is anything over 2000 feet are in error. It's not so.

[okcpulse]

Not to sound snappy, but why is it that in order for some people to reach their Zen, they have to have salt water or spend the rest of their lives staring at a giant rock poking out of the ground?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all kinds of geography, and I understand that some people just prefer certain types of terrain over others. But to pigeon-hole Oklahoma City just because it is flat is such a 20th Century mentality (the California or Bust types). I love the rolling open prairie west of OKC and the tree-covered terrain east of OKC. The city sits on the geographical edge of the Rocky Mountain rain shadow, and is also situated where the prairie begins its official ascent toward the Rockies. The prairie may not have the ruggedness of a mountain range. It's the ever-changing sky that bests OKC. Especially when the spring storms roll in from the northwest. The canvas is different every day. In the mountains... to me... you see Pikes Peak today. Tomorrow, there is Pikes Peak. Day after tomorrow, same old peak. And the next day and the next day. But that is just me.

I also disagree to the claim that OKC looks trashy no matter what direction you come from. I was there last spring to visit my home city and family, and it has really cleaned up, especially litter-wise. This is compared to Houston. Want a trashy city? Visit Buffalo, NY. I was just there last week.

But hey, I guess you can't please everyone. I'd move back to OKC in a heartbeat.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by okcpulse

....... Want a trashy city? Visit Buffalo, NY. I was just there last week.

But hey, I guess you can't please everyone. I'd move back to OKC in a heartbeat.

Just be grateful that the folks in Buffalo love Buffalo.....and if some fool wants to badmouth OKC or Tulsa of Hallet, even, let them. Frankly I can do without the company.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

I was simply pointing out the error of your post by saying that people who "think" that a mountain is anything over 2000 feet are in error. It's not so.

I'm not sure what the "error" of my post was. What I was trying to say is that flat ground above 2000 feet elevation above sea level is not a mountain. Cline's Corner New Mexico is 7000 feet above sea level but it is not a mountain.

In discussing Cavanal with local residents in Poteau most of them thought that anything 2000 feet above sea level constituted a "mountain". As we both pointed out, the 2000 feet elevation number is from the base to the summit.

At the top of Cavanal is a sign that says "Elevation 1999 feet." I think this is where the confusion arises. The sign leads you to believe that this refers to elevation above sea level.

[dekes1969]

hey lay off the buffalo shots there okcpulse being a native western new yorker and person who lived in tulsa for five years among many other regions/cities/ nations on this globe i understand the good and bad of many places so before you take cheapshots at places you have never lived think of what made you mad when they spoke of okc

[karibear]

Originally Posted by dekes1969

hey lay off the buffalo shots there okcpulse being a native western new yorker and person who lived in tulsa for five years among many other regions/cities/ nations on this globe i understand the good and bad of many places so before you take cheapshots at places you have never lived think of what made you mad when they spoke of okc

My kids' father grew up in Buffalo, and after all the kids were gone and his father died, his mother moved to Denver because 'the weather was milder.'

[linicx]

NE Oklahoma is in the foothills of the Ozark Mountains. When you get down around Fayetteville its the Boston Mountains.. Siloam Springs, Tontitown, etc., is pretty flat.. The hills are to the North toward Missouri.

[okcpulse]

hey lay off the buffalo shots there okcpulse being a native western new yorker and person who lived in tulsa for five years among many other regions/cities/ nations on this globe i understand the good and bad of many places so before you take cheapshots at places you have never lived think of what made you mad when they spoke of okc

Whoa, chillax, dekes1969. No where was I taking cheap shots at Buffalo. But at the time of my visit, there was litter just about every place you looked. I'm sure they do liter sweeps. My point is, my visit to Buffalo was bad timing. Just as some who visit OKC before a litter sweep... it is all bad timing.

But you have to agree with me that Niagara Falls, NY is run down compared to Niagara Falls, Ontario.