[andyATMcandy]

Some buddies and I are making a trip just wondering if any casinos there have roulette?

winstar and riverwind do not

[StillwaterTownie]

I think roulette is still against the law in Oklahoma unless the regulations were recently changed. I guess conservative, uptight Oklahoma people think there's even more risk in losing money at roulette than with the one armed bandits, the slot machines.

[_redbird_]

Firelake Grand between Shawnee and OKC has a "spinette" table using cards of the deck. It looks like the traditional roulette table. They still have red/black, odd/even, etc.

Most of the larger casinos have websites. You can always call the casino you plan on visiting.

FireLake Grand Casino | Shawnee Oklahoma | Gaming

[okcpulse]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

I think roulette is still against the law in Oklahoma unless the regulations were recently changed. I guess conservative, uptight Oklahoma people think there's even more risk in losing money at roulette than with the one armed bandits, the slot machines.

Here we go again with the conservative vs. liberal hogwash. The terms are so loosely used now that I could flinch and be called a conservative or liberal.

Roulette wasn't part of the compact. Nothing more to read into than that.

[nevergoingback]

No, and thats why I won't step foot in a casino in OK.

Another stoopid "sin" law in OK.

[e_cuyler]

Pretty sure it's not something the state decided. It has to be some kind of federal rule that must have something to do with Indian gaming, because it is the same way in California casinos, no traditional roulette, just weird variations that don't use a wheel.

My guess is it's something to do with the rules involving the classes of gaming, and for whatever reason roulette isn't allowed in Indian casinos. The ones I've seen in CA kind of turn it into a lotto/bingo type game with the ping-pong balls used instead of a wheel.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by okcpulse

Here we go again with the conservative vs. liberal hogwash. The terms are so loosely used now that I could flinch and be called a conservative or liberal.

Roulette wasn't part of the compact. Nothing more to read into than that.

But, no, it's not hogwash, whatsoever, because who with a brain can deny that it was mostly conservatives who have always been behind opposing legalizing lotteries and casinos in Oklahoma? As a native born Oklahoman I have been sick and tired of conservatives trying to tell me what I can do. I have no trouble with them trying to practice what they preach. They should stay out of a casino, if it suites them well, but don't expect everyone else, including myself to do likewise. Who knows how many conservatives want to abolish Oklahoma lotteries?

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by nevergoingback

No, and thats why I won't step foot in a casino in OK.

Another stoopid "sin" law in OK.

Well, "dum is gud" must be how they think, spell, pronounce and write.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by e_cuyler

Pretty sure it's not something the state decided. It has to be some kind of federal rule that must have something to do with Indian gaming, because it is the same way in California casinos, no traditional roulette, just weird variations that don't use a wheel.

My guess is it's something to do with the rules involving the classes of gaming, and for whatever reason roulette isn't allowed in Indian casinos. The ones I've seen in CA kind of turn it into a lotto/bingo type game with the ping-pong balls used instead of a wheel.

Then how did it get judged that having real roulette around was more harmful in some way to gamblers than slot machines, if it's safe to assume that was the reason roulette isn't allowed?

[e_cuyler]

Probably some screwball clause in the gaming regulations/compacts. It's probably not that it's more "harmful" just that it might not technically fit some requirement or other. It might not fit under any of the allowed classes of gaming.

Not sure, but the same thing may apply to craps, which I don't recall seeing in any of the casinos here in CA or in Oklahoma. Might be something about an outside mechanism such as a wheel or a pair of dice that violates the rules. I will have to keep a closer eye on the table games available next time I go to a casino here, but I don't recall ever seeing a craps table either.

The whole thing is crazy anyway, as far as gambling purposes go there is no difference between the machines they had before they passed the lottery and the ones they have now. But they are considered to be different under the law. I found out the reason they keep a lot of the old machines is because the gaming compact doesn't apply to them since they existed prior to that, so they don't have to give anyone else a cut of the revenue from those machines. Also, they still seem pretty popular.