[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008

Okay, nothing to quibble about with that. What about the person's physical body/life?

Life is fragile. Life holds no guarantees. The taking of any life is something that must be considered deliberately and never taken capriciously. As a guy with livestock, chickens, turkeys; having taken deer elk bear rabbit, antelope, moose, caribou, squirrel, not to mention upland game and waterfowl, I hold no special case against killing. I am also a Viet vet and am responsible for the taking of human life, more than once. If you stop and think about it, as American Citizens, we are jointly responsible for thousands upon thousands of killings in Iraq and Afghanistan. And lets not forget the individuals we are planning on killing that are sitting on death row. Death is a part of life and a part of all of our destinies.

My desire is to minimize the taking of a life. We cannot banish abortion. Just as prohibition didn't work, the war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition against interracial marriage didn't work, neither will a prohibition of abortion work. Be pragmatic, not idealistic. Minimize 1) the taking of a life, and 2) the trauma of taking a life on third parties, including society.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by NitroGranny

The ultimate decision lies within the heart and soul of each individual.

Bingo.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Life is fragile. Life holds no guarantees. The taking of any life is something that must be considered deliberately and never taken capriciously. As a guy with livestock, chickens, turkeys; having taken deer elk bear rabbit, antelope, moose, caribou, squirrel, not to mention upland game and waterfowl, I hold no special case against killing. I am also a Viet vet and am responsible for the taking of human life, more than once. If you stop and think about it, as American Citizens, we are jointly responsible for thousands upon thousands of killings in Iraq and Afghanistan. And lets not forget the individuals we are planning on killing that are sitting on death row. Death is a part of life and a part of all of our destinies.

My desire is to minimize the taking of a life. We cannot banish abortion. Just as prohibition didn't work, the war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition against interracial marriage didn't work, neither will a prohibition of abortion work. Be pragmatic, not idealistic. Minimize 1) the taking of a life, and 2) the trauma of taking a life on third parties, including society.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.

It is posts like these that remind me why I love you

[Jammie]

Originally Posted by berneke

I totally disagree with you. You say that you don't want to go back to the days of butchering young girls, but you will hearken back to "today" where we are butchering children before they are born? Do you think partial birth abortions are okay?

Definitely not. Partial birth abortions deliver a living, breathing person who has to be murdered by puncturing the brain. Of course that's murder.

Bass, I understand what you're saying. Good point.

Anne, that's sweet.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Life is fragile. Life holds no guarantees. The taking of any life is something that must be considered deliberately and never taken capriciously. As a guy with livestock, chickens, turkeys; having taken deer elk bear rabbit, antelope, moose, caribou, squirrel, not to mention upland game and waterfowl, I hold no special case against killing. I am also a Viet vet and am responsible for the taking of human life, more than once. If you stop and think about it, as American Citizens, we are jointly responsible for thousands upon thousands of killings in Iraq and Afghanistan. And lets not forget the individuals we are planning on killing that are sitting on death row. Death is a part of life and a part of all of our destinies.

My desire is to minimize the taking of a life. We cannot banish abortion. Just as prohibition didn't work, the war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition against interracial marriage didn't work, neither will a prohibition of abortion work. Be pragmatic, not idealistic. Minimize 1) the taking of a life, and 2) the trauma of taking a life on third parties, including society.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.

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Be pragmatic, not idealistic. Minimize 1) the taking of a life, and 2) the trauma of taking a life on third parties, including society.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.
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Insightful thoughts here, GP. Thanks.

[okpondlady]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Life is fragile.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.

GP.. I tried to rep you but apparently you have reached your limit.

[berneke]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

I'm sorry, but that statement is moronic.

You can agree to disagree with someone without calling their statements "moronic." There was nothing moronic about my statement. Disagree with me all you want, but to call it a moronic statement is going overboard. Listening to your rationale in the posts that followed I can tell you are the kind of person that I can respect. But please, leave it as a disagreement and don't go that extra step.

[Goodpasture]

Berneke, the problem is when you take an excessively extreme situation and ask if someone else is on board with it or thinks that it is a good idea. What you said was " Do you think partial birth abortions are okay?"

The fact is that no one in this country is in favor of such a procedure, even the physicians who do them. They are done only at the most urgent "save the mothers life" circumstances. To ask someone if such things are okay, is simply inflammatory and nonconstructive. To inject that kind of emotionally loaded query into a rational discussion is divisive, rhetorical, and whether intended or not, puts people into a defensive position. In a rational discussion that is the beginning of negative nonproductive discussion that will prevent consensus. As such, injecting that kind of question into this kind of discussion is, in my opinion, moronic. If you don't want that kind of response, give the rest of us just a little respect. That kind of question is totally disrespectful and totally unnecessary.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by Annemieke Roell

First trimester fetuses are cells, not children.

And yes, I am saying that is many cases, children are better off not being born. Because they are neglected and abused.

I am a firm proponent of having to undergo a psychological exam to make sure that people are mentally and emotionally fit to raise a child before they are allowed to have any. And those who make a career out of welfare should not be allowed to continue to bring children into this world.

Just because you have a uterus should not give you the automatic right to reproduce.

I agree to disagree with you...and I'm not mad at you either, but just
take a little time to listen to my rock solid logic for a minute. The very
moment that a male sperm and female egg merge that cell (that is formed)
is a "human"....a NON-HUMAN CELL could never "grow" into a
human (Child...Teenager...or Adult) and to terminate it is Murder in
All Cases With The Exception Of Where The Pregnancy Is Going To
Cause The Death Of The Mother...Now there are Anti-Pregnancy
Injections and Inplants that will render A Woman incapabe of
developing a offspring and going through a PREGNANCY It's Called
BIRTH CONTROL...Why Don't Women Try IT, It's A Lot Better Than
Having A ABORTION Now Isn't It.I'm all for WOMEN having the
FREEDOM OF CHOICE It's Just That I Believe In Birth Control and
Choosing Between The MANY METHODS THAT ARE 99.99%
EFFECTIVE...Now I'm A 57 Y.Y..Year Young African American
Independant Voter and I Would Vote RepubiCan't If They could
Over Turn Abortion , but It Not Going To Happen and they are
just giving the issue LIP SERVICE Anyway...America Is All For The
Woman Right To Choose...AND I SAY (RIGHT ON) CHOOSE BIRTH
CONTROL...Ladies.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Life is fragile. Life holds no guarantees. The taking of any life is something that must be considered deliberately and never taken capriciously. As a guy with livestock, chickens, turkeys; having taken deer elk bear rabbit, antelope, moose, caribou, squirrel, not to mention upland game and waterfowl, I hold no special case against killing. I am also a Viet vet and am responsible for the taking of human life, more than once. If you stop and think about it, as American Citizens, we are jointly responsible for thousands upon thousands of killings in Iraq and Afghanistan. And lets not forget the individuals we are planning on killing that are sitting on death row. Death is a part of life and a part of all of our destinies.

My desire is to minimize the taking of a life. We cannot banish abortion. Just as prohibition didn't work, the war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition against interracial marriage didn't work, neither will a prohibition of abortion work. Be pragmatic, not idealistic. Minimize 1) the taking of a life, and 2) the trauma of taking a life on third parties, including society.

Let me say again, it is our responsibility to offer alternatives to abortion so when that decision is contemplated, an affirmative, prolife option is available. It is not our (the governments) right to interfere with the making that final decision.

Well Just Like Ronald Reagan Said "Here We Go Again" ABORTION Can
and should Be BANISH , but I can guarantee you that it WILL NOT Be.
Now I have the Solution to the problem "Just Put More Money Into The
(Foster Care System) and give the MOTHERS The Right To Turn OVER
Their's Unwanted Children to the Foster Care System , but no the
RepubiCan't are not funding the many Needs Of Foster Care , and it's
ain't going to happen (The Proper Funding Of Foster Care) and promoting
Taking PREGNANCY FULL TERM And Turning BABIES Over....That's A Pipe
Dream Now Isn't It.