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Old 09-23-2010, 05:03 PM
 
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All points well taken Mr. Poulsen. My larger point was that CVS should make an effort to create an urban looking building. The city council, as I understand it, originally rejected the CVS plan because CVS wanted a huge parking lot and a typical box store. They submitted this plan after promosing an urban look. I believe that the city council should reject the plan on those grounds. Of course a private property owner can sell his property within the limitations of the law, but that does not mean that is what is best for the community. In my humble opinion, other cities would have rejected CVS' plan and Omaha already has too many big parking lots. I also love the 49er - a true classic dive bar.
CVS has hundreds if not thousands of examples nationwide where they have willingly integrated within urban neighborhoods as a mixed-use layout. Why? Because, as one of the largest pharma/retail chains nationwide, they know business.

Do you really think a company like CVS, who regularly integrates their stores in areas like Manhattan, Downtown Houston, Chicago, and etc, really views 49th and Dodge as a critical area to do the same? NO!

They view it for what it is. It is NOT an urban neighborhood as it applies as a standard in large cities throughout this country. Just because the residents of Dundee view their area through their delusion colored glasses, doesn't mean CVS has to.

The area is what it is. It is dilapidated with some run down businesses which apparently weren't doing all that well to begin with. It is an area adjacent to the busiest arterial transportation roadway in Omaha, NOT a walkable, pedestrian friendly neighborhood. It is an area where retail, such as a CVS, would need to rely n commuting consumers and, in turn, they need every bit of parking they can get.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the design CVS submitted and I can guarantee you that Dundee residents will spend their dollars at that store anytime they find convenient.
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Old 09-23-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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You can find examples on google images of some more urban designs CVS has used, for instance:
Pheaton, notice something in this example of an "urban CVS layout?" The highrises [most notably, the condos in the immediate background] - which would indicate a very high density of residents within their market reach and at a walkable distance.

Now take 49 Dodge. You have very little multi-tenant dwellings in a reasonable, walkable distance. What you do have; you have a older neighborhoods with individual homes sitting on reasonably large plots of land. You have very low density in comparison to TRUE URBAN neighborhoods.

I will restate my above post, there is nothing wrong with the plans CVS submitted, in fact, they are very reasonable for the area.

Everyone needs to quit their bitching, they never said a word when people were selling drugs and getting drunk on these street corners with the run-down structures all these years, why the sudden miss-guided community pride?
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:08 AM
 
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Pheaton, notice something in this example of an "urban CVS layout?" The highrises [most notably, the condos in the immediate background] - which would indicate a very high density of residents within their market reach and at a walkable distance.

Now take 49 Dodge. You have very little multi-tenant dwellings in a reasonable, walkable distance. What you do have; you have a older neighborhoods with individual homes sitting on reasonably large plots of land. You have very low density in comparison to TRUE URBAN neighborhoods.

I will restate my above post, there is nothing wrong with the plans CVS submitted, in fact, they are very reasonable for the area.

Everyone needs to quit their bitching, they never said a word when people were selling drugs and getting drunk on these street corners with the run-down structures all these years, why the sudden miss-guided community pride?
Ha, Ha, Ha. You need to calm down. Everyone is safe - no cause for alarm. Seriously, you are on a discussion forum. If you cant stomach diverse points of view without refering to it as "bitching," I suggest you only frequent sites that support your own point of view. For me, Omaha has very few areas that are even arguably urban. I would like to keep them that way as much as possible. In my opinion, the design they submitted is an insult to the people who live in that part of town.
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Ha, Ha, Ha. You need to calm down. Everyone is safe - no cause for alarm. Seriously, you are on a discussion forum. If you cant stomach diverse points of view without refering to it as "bitching," I suggest you only frequent sites that support your own point of view. For me, Omaha has very few areas that are even arguably urban. I would like to keep them that way as much as possible. In my opinion, the design they submitted is an insult to the people who live in that part of town.
What's "HA HA HA" is you having such an opinion without any sort of coherent rationale to back it up. It's a good thing people plan cities with proven principles rather than their opinions.

I also find it funny how the same anti-CVS folks who are blasting the on-street parking because of the heavy and fast moving dodge st traffic, are the same ones touting a pedestrian friendly area.

The only problem I have with CVS is them seeking TIF for this project. Makes no sense...

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Old 09-24-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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I think people are being entirely too sensitive over this issue. Its a damn store. The same people protesting will probably end up shopping there too.
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:59 PM
 
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What's "HA HA HA" is you having such an opinion without any sort of coherent rationale to back it up. It's a good thing people plan cities with proven principles rather than their opinions.

I also find it funny how the same anti-CVS folks who are blasting the on-street parking because of the heavy and fast moving dodge st traffic, are the same ones touting a pedestrian friendly area.

The only problem I have with CVS is them seeking TIF for this project. Makes no sense...
Actually, neighborhood preservation and aesthetics are two principles often used in city planning. Im kind of surprised that you didnt know that.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:33 PM
 
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Actually, neighborhood preservation and aesthetics are two principles often used in city planning. Im kind of surprised that you didnt know that.
I read through the thread and have yet to find one person who said aesthetics and preservation aren't "city planning principles."

However, since you decided to bring up aethetics, here is your comparison.

Current:

http://douglasne.mapping-online.com/assessdoc/Photos/39/R09526500000001.jpg (broken link)




Proposed:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs305.ash2/58487_793173766420_16923414_44783545_6701195_n.jpg (broken link)

Gosh, I'd sure hope we can preserve that gem...
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Omaha
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You know, my apt. complex is going to be next to this new CVS pharmacy. I understand why people are upset, a place that they have good memories with good friends is being taken away from them. Anytime something important to a person is taken away they get a bit touchy about it. It's not someone's place to question ones' view as to what's important to them or why, it just is. Eventually people will get over it and move on to something else to be upset about. I love the 9er, but like all things an end must come.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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They closed Q Cinema 9, which is where my wife and I had our first date. It's sad, but oh well. Things happen, situations change. I didn't feel a need to protest it. I wish it didn't close, but I have the memories I guess. There are more important things to worry about in life than someplace you like going out of business. It seems like the protesters care more about this bar than the owner, because the owner obviously doesn't have a problem selling the place off..
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