10-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Location: West Omaha
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She didn't kill the guy. She just didn't stop him from killing himself.
how is she suppose to "pay" for what she has done?? The point of punishment is to freaking produce a deterrent. There is no deterrent here. What, do you think subsequent potential offenders are going to say, "hmm, you know if I try to commit double suicide with my boyfriend I could go to jail if it doesn't work." Really?? Jail time here serves absolutely ZERO purpose other than to satisfy your need to judge people.
The woman needs about a decade of treatment for depression and who knows what else. Locking her in jail would be absolutely and completely counter productive.
And we don't "value life" because we think jail time is meaningless?? Ever think about valuing this woman's life?
10-15-2010, 08:46 AM
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Her crime was assisted suicide. She gave him the tool to do it. Last I knew, that was illegal.
I'll repeat to the people that think I'm some cold, heartless jerk...I don't think she should go to jail immediately...she needs help. But she shouldn't get off without some sort of punishment. The life that she helped end is worth more than that.
10-15-2010, 11:32 AM
Location: Bellevue, NE
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Where is James Martin Davis when you need him? I don't think she needs jail time....she needs some help. I bet now that it is all said and done she really wishes she was dead. She will need major therapy to get her mind straight. Not only that, once she is in good shape again, the fact that she killed someone will haunt her for a LONG time.....she'll need even more therapy. Jail...no. Help...YES!
10-15-2010, 04:21 PM
Location: Tampa, FL...aka Hell with palm trees.
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Calvinist
Her crime was assisted suicide. She gave him the tool to do it. Last I knew, that was illegal.
I'll repeat to the people that think I'm some cold, heartless jerk...I don't think she should go to jail immediately...she needs help. But she shouldn't get off without some sort of punishment. The life that she helped end is worth more than that.
You
still have not answered my question. I really want to know what example you're thinking should be set here. Is it "If you want to kill yourself, do it right or we'll lock you up"?
10-20-2010, 02:48 PM
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You still have not answered my question. I really want to know what example you're thinking should be set here. Is it "If you want to kill yourself, do it right or we'll lock you up"?
How about "If you help someone off themselves, you will have to go to jail"?
10-21-2010, 12:35 AM
Location: Tampa, FL...aka Hell with palm trees.
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How about "If you help someone off themselves, you will have to go to jail"?
That's what the law says, which is not what I asked you. I asked you what
example you thought should be sent. Obviously, these are two massively different things.
Oh and just for the record, assisting in a suicide is a Class IV Felony (the lowest grade felony) in Nebraska, punishable by a maximum of 5 years in prison.
10-21-2010, 06:59 AM
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That's what the law says, which is not what I asked you. I asked you what example you thought should be sent. Obviously, these are two massively different things.
Oh and just for the record, assisting in a suicide is a Class IV Felony (the lowest grade felony) in Nebraska, punishable by a maximum of 5 years in prison.
I will again point to the
EXAMPLE
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Calvinist
How about "If you help someone off themselves, you will have to go to jail"?
Show people that if you commit the crime, you should be punished. If/when she's able to stand trial, they should put her on trial and charge her.
10-21-2010, 02:01 PM
Location: Tampa, FL...aka Hell with palm trees.
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I will again point to the EXAMPLE
Show people that if you commit the crime, you should be punished. If/when she's able to stand trial, they should put her on trial and charge her.
There's a pretty sizeable gap between punishing someone under the due process of law and making "an example" out of them, the later of which is what you were calling for. It's pretty obvious that you are unable to differentiate between the two, so I guess this little debate can be put to bed.
10-22-2010, 07:12 AM
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There's a pretty sizeable gap between punishing someone under the due process of law and making "an example" out of them, the later of which is what you were calling for. It's pretty obvious that you are unable to differentiate between the two, so I guess this little debate can be put to bed.
I'm sorry that you are unable to comprehend what I'm saying. I'm saying that if/when she is mentally able to stand trial she should be prosecuted. "an example" means to not just let her off lightly with a slap on the wrist--but actually give her the punishment associated with helping someone kill themself.
10-22-2010, 05:16 PM
Location: Tampa, FL...aka Hell with palm trees.
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"an example" means to not just let her off lightly with a slap on the wrist--but actually give her the punishment associated with helping someone kill themself.
Those punishment guidelines are set by the state of Nebraska. Assisting in a suicide is a Class IV felony which has a maximum of 5 years in prison with no minimum sentencing requirement so even a slap on the wrist is appropriate punishment.
Maybe next time, you'll choose your words more carefully.
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