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Old 12-31-2010, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Don't jobs come with job discriptions? Whose job was it?
I'm sure it was a job handled by multiple people.

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It's wonderful that unionized workers are afforded the opportunity not to be fired without cause or due process. Hence the need for a strong mayor that can assure those same things to the non unionized public, ie not paying those who were not doing their job.

I wonder how long it would take to weed out those responsible if wages weren't being paid until the mess is cleared up?
It's pointless to speculate since withholding of paychecks, especially in an attempt to smoke out unethical behavior, is highly illegal itself.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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It's been stated several times. Many don't believe it's right to have a mayor that can raise taxes on people that aren't able to vote for or against them. Do mayors from the suburbs tax you? Maybe that's why you don't care. What's so tough to understand? People CARE when it affects them directly.

The fire-men's union should get pounded on the record keeping incident. Any private entity would. Anyone that doesn't see that, well, maybe their opinion is unworthy as well. Being biased is one thing, overlooking serious flaws is quite another. Especially when calling someone else out for bias. Shall we add hypocrisy to the equation?
Sure those other cities tax me. Every time I shop in those cities I pay their city sales tax. This is no different and is just as legal. Sure it's not popular and if I was faced with paying the new tax I would be upset as well, but that's not at issue, the legality is. Avoiding this new tax is simple, get a job outside of Omaha, just as I can avoid paying the suburbs sales taxes by shopping inside the city of Omaha.

If Omaha is really so evil that people are willing to go out of their way to eat outside of the city then they can also work outside the city.

And as bosco said, the union is not responsible for the bookkeeping.
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Old 12-31-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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I'm sure it was a job handled by multiple people.

Do you know that or are you speculating?

It's pointless to speculate since withholding of paychecks, especially in an attempt to smoke out unethical behavior, is highly illegal itself.

It's pretty interesting that so many would have access to the books keeping track of hours and vacation. Seems fairly sloppy to someone that works for companies that have people they have to answer to. Who do city employees answer to?

And yes, I'm sure if the City was doing something illegal they would be called on it and someone would pay. But unions are great. Unless you are on the end that's paying for them.
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Old 12-31-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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Sure those other cities tax me. Every time I shop in those cities I pay their city sales tax. This is no different and is just as legal. Sure it's not popular and if I was faced with paying the new tax I would be upset as well, but that's not at issue, the legality is. Avoiding this new tax is simple, get a job outside of Omaha, just as I can avoid paying the suburbs sales taxes by shopping inside the city of Omaha.

If Omaha is really so evil that people are willing to go out of their way to eat outside of the city then they can also work outside the city.

And as bosco said, the union is not responsible for the bookkeeping.

It sounds as if no one was responsible, huh?

And it's too bad that business owners in Omaha may lose customers over this. But who cares about the business owners, right? They were just forced to give up their smoking patrons so what's a few more? Right?

I guess it's the business owners that are evil. Or maybe they just have to pay for others poor decisions.
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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And it's too bad that business owners in Omaha may lose customers over this. But who cares about the business owners, right? They were just forced to give up their smoking patrons so what's a few more? Right?

I guess it's the business owners that are evil. Or maybe they just have to pay for others poor decisions.
Multiple restaurant owners and management staff have gone on record and stated they experienced little to no drop off after the restaurant tax.
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:58 PM
 
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Multiple restaurant owners and management staff have gone on record and stated they experienced little to no drop off after the restaurant tax.
The irony with that is how many said that the smoking ban would be detrimental to them. Clancy's was in the forefront of this. They are still open.
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Old 01-01-2011, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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The irony with that is how many said that the smoking ban would be detrimental to them. Clancy's was in the forefront of this. They are still open.
Yep. The usual scare tactics that never seem to come to fruition eh?
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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Yeah, with the smoking ban, people show up anyways and just smoke outside. With the restaurant tax people show up anyways and just make some comment about it, but pay it anyways. Same kind of deal, just complain and move on. It's exactly what they anticipate whenever they raise taxes, we'll just groan, but not do anything about it.
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Old 01-01-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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Yes, no one seems to go out of business the next day. Business owners, like most people, will do what they can for as long as they can to get by. They usually own their business to support their family. Just as people that are employed by others make choices regarding their future when a new rule goes into play in their job they are forced to absorb the change or move on.

And if businesses can't absorb the change they close...more jobs lost and more restaurants to remember from the good ole days. It doesn't happen over night because these people have to find a new way to support their families.

Incidently, Illinois has some new bills in the legislature to try to bring smoking back to their casinos. It seems as though some businesses have suffered due to government intrusion. Guess it's a wait and see.
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Incidently, Illinois has some new bills in the legislature to try to bring smoking back to their casinos. It seems as though some businesses have suffered due to government intrusion. Guess it's a wait and see.
Well, smoking and gambling go hand in hand. Both are unhealthy addictions.
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