[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

And you have just gone and shown your NOT a moral person! If you need some ancient book and an invisible man to tell you whats right and what wrong I feel VERY sorry for you.

And you are?

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Raphael07

Well, I also have the same bible you do, except mine is in the proper Greek and not in English. Because an English Bible, more often than not, muddles things like no other.

Do you mean koine Greek? The NT was written in Koine Greek. Of course, the Septuagint was translated into Greek, as well.

I have LOGOS Bible software, allowing me to read several translations. I typically read the ESV for devotional purposes, but I also like the NASB, which is about as word-for-word translation as any. I can also look up the Greek word for anything I want, and do read it, as I've taken Greek.

Second, you said it was our opinion versus yours. Well, we also have a fact that goes with our opinion: Gay people want to get married to other gay people. And when have opinions ever been superior to facts?

Are you suggesting morality is just based on opinion? If so, what makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's opinion?

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by DentalFloss

So are you saying that you don't find unjustly depriving someone of their life, unjustly depriving someone of property, or unjustly causing grave harm to someone is immoral?

Maybe, maybe not. I'd like to know how exactly you come to that conclusion?

You are the one making the case for homosexuality being immoral. I have repeatedly said that I find it not immoral, for I cannot think of a reason to label it as such. You have given us a reason, but your reason was based on a holy book that not all of us find credible.

And that is wrong how?

Ergo, you've been asked to justify why homosexuality is immoral without referencing your holy book, but thus far you've been either unable, or at least unwilling to do so.

Why?

[harshbarj]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

And you are?

Obviously, as I know the difference between right and wrong without question. I know why it's wrong to kill, to steal, and to assault another. Clearly you do not!

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

Obviously, as I know the difference between right and wrong without question. I know why it's wrong to kill, to steal, and to assault another. Clearly you do not!

What do you base your opinion on? Where do you think that comes from?

[Bosco55David]

Originally Posted by jessep28

This thread has descended from commentary about a story where liberal Christian ministers made a declaration regarding same sex marriage to circular bickering rehashing the same arguments for/against same sex marriage. Maybe at this point we should all just agree to disagree.

Actually it's pretty much turned into a Calvinist getting his e-ass beat by a bunch of people much smarter than he is.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Actually it's pretty much turned into a Calvinist getting his e-ass beat by a bunch of people much smarter than he is.

sigh

You're quite the big talker for someone who has never delivered.

[Bosco55David]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

sigh

You're quite the big talker for someone who has never delivered.

Feigning denial about the ass beating you just took doesn't change the facts.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Feigning denial about the ass beating you just took doesn't change the facts.

yawn.

once again....big talker, no action.

Honestly though...is this a contest? what have you "beaten" me on? hard-headedness?

[Busguy2010]

I haven't read half of this thread, but it's begging me to comment being at the top of the list every damn second. I know it's become about religion. Just wondering... Why would someone want to willingly live their life based on a what some book, some people say is right and wrong with the ultimate belief that their going to live their "afterlives" in one of two places that nobody knows exists? Seems kind of crazy to me. I mean, I'm not gonna tell someone they're wrong for believing what they believe, but it seems foolish to me to basically not partake in some of what the earth offers us in fear of living again after you die in some horrible place that again has not been proven to exist. It just makes sense to make of your life what we want. After all, it is the only life we know we have.