[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

How is that going to make your life better?

Actually, recognizing gay marriage effects me about as much as it does you (read: it doesn't) but in the abstract, I'll feel a little happier knowing that my country has righted another wrong.

Interesting considering I didn't mention my church.

Ok, so it's just for you to worry about. Whatever works.

the poster I responded to made a strawman argument about the Bible.

I don't think you know what a strawman argument is.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I have to tell you how homosexual behavior is immoral? Really?

Considering that there is significant debate among theologians whether the bible addresses the issue at all, I'd say you better explain yourself.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Actually, recognizing gay marriage effects me about as much as it does you (read: it doesn't) but in the abstract, I'll feel a little happier knowing that my country has righted another wrong.

Typically, that non-sequitur gets asked to anyone opposing it. As if the effect on our lives really mattered in the legality of it.

Ok, so it's just for you to worry about. Whatever works.

I don't think you know what a strawman argument is.

Considering that there is significant debate among theologians whether the bible addresses the issue at all, I'd say you better explain yourself.

No...there really is no debate among serious theologians. It's pretty much accepted as wrong, and was never an issue until fairly recently. Anyone that objectively reads the text can see it pretty clear.



Honestly though...this argument is just getting old. It's sad that apparently 100 ministers don't take the Bible seriously. Is this a reason to mistreat gay people? No. They are sinners like me and anyone else. We all need a savior. I find it sad that these ministers seem to be more concerned about making people happy on social issues than about preaching the Gospel.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

As if the effect on our lives really mattered in the legality of it.

Well at least you are finally learning.

No...there really is no debate among serious theologians. It's pretty much accepted as wrong, and was never an issue until fairly recently. Anyone that objectively reads the text can see it pretty clear.

Really?

What the New Testament Says about Homosexuality

Honestly though...this argument is just getting old. It's sad that apparently 100 ministers don't take the Bible seriously. Is this a reason to mistreat gay people? No. They are sinners like me and anyone else. We all need a savior. I find it sad that these ministers seem to be more concerned about making people happy on social issues than about preaching the Gospel.

Clearly they appear to know the gospel better than you, or at least recognize the lack of clarity.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Well at least you are finally learning.

We don't legislate according to how our "lives are affected". We legislate according to right/wrong, and the good of society.

Really?

What the New Testament Says about Homosexuality



Clearly they appear to know the gospel better than you, or at least recognize the lack of clarity.

That would be an example of "scholars" with agendas.

[HandBanana]

The American Medical Association calls for marriage equality nationwide.

Gayapolis News - The American Medical Association Supports Gay Marriage

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BTW I saw a message that neatly sums up alot of this in a MeFi thread after NY passed gay marriage the other night and I am posting it here....

And to think, the Republican party ran an entire presidential campaign in 2004 centered around whipping up evangelicals to ban gay marriage in order to get a president re-elected.

Yeah, you've still got a few dead enders who think stopping gay marriage is somehow important or serious, but for the most part, even Republicans have moved on and are no longer pretending that gay marriage is going to end civilization.

It's like now that the Republicans got what they needed to get out of opposing gay marriage, they realize that there are no more votes to be had by trying to stop it, and they've moved on.

It is a reminder that the "values voters" of 2004 who told us that supporting George W Bush was one of the most important things we could do to save us from the huge tragedy of gays being allowed to marry have pretty much wasted their time and their lives. All that time, all that effort, and it was only so that they could be used like dupes and fools over something that Republicans didn't even really care about just so that we could maintain tax cuts and keep us in Iraq longer: and in the end, those voters are left with nothing: not rich enough to benefit from the tax cuts, and their support of Republicans led to the collapse of the economy, causing them to lose their jobs and hurting future opportunities for their children, while gays around the country are allowed to get married. That was the high water mark of their political lives, and for nothing.

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[DentalFloss]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

We all endorse things daily by our actions or what we say.

How does gay marriage becoming legal amount to an endorsement of it by you.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

At least by your standard, right? Why is that system better?

My system is better because it is not arbitrary. It does not denote this sexual practice as good, and that sexual practice is bad because an ancient Jewish figured the pus leaking out of someone penis was a punishment from god for misuse of said penis, rather than knowing it was simply a bacterial infection. It allows people to do what they like and be who they are, but at the same time it acknowledges that not all potential acts are, or should be considered, moral.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

We don't legislate according to how our "lives are affected". We legislate according to right/wrong, and the good of society.

Absolutely. That's why your side is losing.

That would be an example of "scholars" with agendas.

Oh right, because only those on your side know the real truth right? Sounds alot like the same playbook the right wing uses when it comes to climate change and Fox News.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Absolutely. That's why your side is losing.



Oh right, because only those on your side know the real truth right? Sounds alot like the same playbook the right wing uses when it comes to climate change and Fox News.

If 2 views contradict each other, only one can be right. I'm sorry if you're not. You can embrace Truth though. Repent of your sins and believe in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

[Raphael07]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I have to tell you how homosexual behavior is immoral? Really?

Yes Calvinist. You do. Let's hear it. You've called it immoral this whole time yet you refuse to say WHY it is immoral. So we're waiting now for your reasons. Patiently, might I add.