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Old 11-27-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Religion is part of a person's perception of the world and how they see things. It cannot be separated from the decision making process, no matter how hard you try
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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Religion is part of a person's perception of the world and how they see things. It cannot be separated from the decision making process, no matter how hard you try
Some of the most zealously religious people I know are people who claim they are not religious.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Religion is part of a person's perception of the world and how they see things. It cannot be separated from the decision making process, no matter how hard you try
Sure it can. Using gay marriage as an example, there are many people out there who may feel it is a violation of their religious beliefs but are able to separate that from understanding that it is not their place to force those views on others through public policy.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Omaha Nebraska and dreamland when I am sleeping
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I would prefer churches preach on JESUS and how to be more Christ-like and stop focusing on politics (this includes churches on both sides who put politics about JESUS
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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So churches are not supposed to lobby, and try to get their members to vote a certain way or for certain candidates. But it's okay if gay groups lobby, and try to get people to vote a certain way or for certain candidates.

I'd call that hypocrisy, and a double standard.
The point highlighted above is a BIG no-no for any non profit group, churches included. Any church found guilty of promoting any candidate can lose their tax exempt status. It's federal law man, something I am not surprised you don't know given you don't even know when the mayoral elections are and you want to BE MAYOR .
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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The point highlighted above is a BIG no-no for any non profit group, churches included. Any church found guilty of promoting any candidate can lose their tax exempt status. It's federal law man, something I am not surprised you don't know given you don't even know when the mayoral elections are and you want to BE MAYOR .
Does that include public schools, colleges and state universities?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Omaha Nebraska and dreamland when I am sleeping
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btw, the IRS tax exempt codes are barely enforced IMO


case in point: the american family association and family research council (both of which are very political "christian" groups that heavily are partisan

and are obsessed also with promoting domionists nuts like Mike Bickle and Lou Engle
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:58 AM
 
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Does that include public schools, colleges and state universities?
As those are government institutions, yes. Government, be it state, city, or federal can't endorse a candidate for office. They can however encourage people to vote, they just can't influence how they would vote. As I work in the city government here in Omaha, this is a fact I am well aware of.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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The entity you are trying to attach this discussion to is really any 503c org. This isn't a mandate of separation of church and state, but of tax exempt orgs having limits on their lobbying capability. Some of those mentioned are not 503c type groups. Additionally, churches have some vague (this is the IRS after all) latitude in this arena before they are considered to be lobbying. Non-church religious groups have even more latitude as they can apply their activities towards an expenditures test.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

In the end most peoples' thoughts are inline with their religious choices in the first place so making these groups mute on topics is not going to silence their members. Also if you watch closely, any of the leaders of these churches are signing their respective positions to a group as themselves, not as an official policy of their church.

I'm glad that we have the option to speak out in this country, even if it means that these people do too. I am also glad the blinders are coming off more and more people with respect to these dogmatic oligarchies.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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The entity you are trying to attach this discussion to is really any 503c org. This isn't a mandate of separation of church and state, but of tax exempt orgs having limits on their lobbying capability. Some of those mentioned are not 503c type groups. Additionally, churches have some vague (this is the IRS after all) latitude in this arena before they are considered to be lobbying. Non-church religious groups have even more latitude as they can apply their activities towards an expenditures test.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

In the end most peoples' thoughts are inline with their religious choices in the first place so making these groups mute on topics is not going to silence their members. Also if you watch closely, any of the leaders of these churches are signing their respective positions to a group as themselves, not as an official policy of their church.

I'm glad that we have the option to speak out in this country, even if it means that these people do too. I am also glad the blinders are coming off more and more people with respect to these dogmatic oligarchies.
I always enjoy reading a thought backed by some level of logic and information. (pretty rare around here)
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