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Old 06-28-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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What does that have to do with Billie?

And, you must not have paid much attention. The Recall Suttle websites went up before he even took office.
Trying to defend another poster from an anti-Stothert person who, like all the others, need to give her a chance.

As far as Suttle, there was ONE recall site. A multitude more of anti-Stothert ones out there. Why?
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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Trying to defend another poster from an anti-Stothert person who, like all the others, need to give her a chance.
The more you post, the more I wonder if you have basic logic and reasoning skills. Our conversation was about how Billie felt about Stothert breaking her campaign promises, which was something he bitched about constantly with Suttle. You're telling us that something that happened in 2013 is what caused Billie to do with that during Suttle's 2009-2013 term?

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As far as Suttle, there was ONE recall site. A multitude more of anti-Stothert ones out there. Why?
You have your facts wrong. There was a "Recall Suttle" Facebook page and website up before he even took office. Admittedly, this was a small group (about 100 members IIRC) and it got almost no traction and went away. There was also the second recall effort started by the guy upset about the discussions of closing the Florence Library. This got significant media coverage and happened before the six month waiting period expired. Then you had the third recall effort after the restaurant tax, which is the one that actually worked and went to vote.

(On a side note, it's been said that the people (Nabity, Aspen et al) that pushed through the recall went to the man from Florence and asked him to give up his recall effort because they thought it was sure to fail and would have started another waiting period. I can't confirm this is true, but I've heard it through some people I'd consider credible)

One last thing. I haven't attacked Stothert for anything save for her dictator like media gag order. Billie, if he has any logical consistency, should be livid over Stothert refusing to lower taxes.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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The more you post, the more I wonder if you have basic logic and reasoning skills.
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Our conversation was about how Billie felt about Stothert breaking her campaign promises, which was something he bitched about constantly with Suttle. You're telling us that something that happened in 2013 is what caused Billie to do with that during Suttle's 2009-2013 term?

You have your facts wrong. There was a "Recall Suttle" Facebook page and website up before he even took office. Admittedly, this was a small group (about 100 members IIRC) and it got almost no traction and went away. There was also the second recall effort started by the guy upset about the discussions of closing the Florence Library. This got significant media coverage and happened before the six month waiting period expired. Then you had the third recall effort after the restaurant tax, which is the one that actually worked and went to vote.

(On a side note, it's been said that the people (Nabity, Aspen et al) that pushed through the recall went to the man from Florence and asked him to give up his recall effort because they thought it was sure to fail and would have started another waiting period. I can't confirm this is true, but I've heard it through some people I'd consider credible)

One last thing. I haven't attacked Stothert for anything save for her dictator like media gag order. Billie, if he has any logical consistency, should be livid over Stothert refusing to lower taxes.

The more you post the more evident it is that all you really want to do is ATTACK anyone that doesn't agree to the Nth with you. A legend in your own mind. Why do the mods put up with someone from out of state taking over the Omaha thread and being rude to the other posters?
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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The more you post the more evident it is that all you really want to do is ATTACK anyone that doesn't agree to the Nth with you. A legend in your own mind. Why do the mods put up with someone from out of state taking over the Omaha thread and being rude to the other posters?
Maybe those who disagree with me should learn some logic, right?
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Old 07-05-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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So how about this? Stothert requests documents related to the Fire Department budget, then throws a hissy fit to the media because McDonnell personally delivered them in a box.

Mayor Stothert on OFD budget saga: 'This is not a circus' | Politics - KETV Home

Stothert tells members of North Omaha community that she grew up in "inner city St. Louis" when she actually grew up in Wood River, IL., a nice little suburb to the east of St. Louis.

Mayor Stothert stumps in north Omaha, gets an earful in return - Omaha.com

This woman is not off to a good start. What do you think, Billie?
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Old 07-05-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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Honestly, even though I voted for suttle and against his recall, he seemed rather incompetent to me. I believe this helped stothert much more than people realize.

That said, I am willing to sit back and watch her closely. You never know, she could be as good as Daub or fahey. In fact, she reached out to the glbt community by declaring a day as heartland pride day, in a speech during pride.

To me, that act may indicate a better person than some of her other impressions. I say thst we all should sit back and watch, allow a few mistakes (at first. To err is human), hope she is good and make a statement in four years if she steps on too many toes.

That said, no more recall elections please. I will always vote against a recall unless there is an extenuating circumstance. And it must be serious too. Screw politics.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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Honestly, even though I voted for suttle and against his recall, he seemed rather incompetent to me. I believe this helped stothert much more than people realize.

That said, I am willing to sit back and watch her closely. You never know, she could be as good as Daub or fahey. In fact, she reached out to the glbt community by declaring a day as heartland pride day, in a speech during pride.

To me, that act may indicate a better person than some of her other impressions. I say thst we all should sit back and watch, allow a few mistakes (at first. To err is human), hope she is good and make a statement in four years if she steps on too many toes.

That said, no more recall elections please. I will always vote against a recall unless there is an extenuating circumstance. And it must be serious too. Screw politics.
I agree all around.

I didn't like Suttle as first, but he grew on me. Admittedly, he was a bit of a "dunderhead" as a friend of mine put it, and I think the only reason Stothert won is because she ran an excellent campaign and Suttle flopped. I thought one of those things might happen, but not both. Still, I give credit to Suttle for making tough, unpopular decisions that got Omaha back on the right track.

I'm thinking Stothert is going to be a much more moderate as a mayor than she was on the city council. On the city council, she could get away with pandering. Not so much as a mayor.

I too hope there are no recalls, but history says it's going to happen.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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I agree all around.

I didn't like Suttle as first, but he grew on me. Admittedly, he was a bit of a "dunderhead" as a friend of mine put it, and I think the only reason Stothert won is because she ran an excellent campaign and Suttle flopped. I thought one of those things might happen, but not both. Still, I give credit to Suttle for making tough, unpopular decisions that got Omaha back on the right track.

I'm thinking Stothert is going to be a much more moderate as a mayor than she was on the city council. On the city council, she could get away with pandering. Not so much as a mayor.

I too hope there are no recalls, but history says it's going to happen.
Yep. It would be a disaster for her not to be middle of the road. I know many won't admit to it,but Omaha is more of a left city with an occasional tendency to go right. Stothert needs to continue to reach out. If she does, she could be a multi-term mayor.

Suttle did make hard decisions, yes. What he lacked was the kind of direction seen in the previous two mayors. We were riding a strong wave and Suttle really didn't seem interested in luring companies to the city in a proactive way. He seemed to like a hierarchy form of officiating a city which tends to run like a sloth, too big, slow, too beaurocratic to be affective. What we need, and had, are departments that are not only forward in thinking, but are efficient and fast. We lost out on jobs because of his behemoth mentality (I'm not talking about too much government, just not effective government).

Our city was very fast and effective with the previous mayors. This is why I was so disappointed with suttle. I tried hard to like him.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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Yep. It would be a disaster for her not to be middle of the road. I know many won't admit to it,but Omaha is more of a left city with an occasional tendency to go right. Stothert needs to continue to reach out. If she does, she could be a multi-term mayor.

Suttle did make hard decisions, yes. What he lacked was the kind of direction seen in the previous two mayors. We were riding a strong wave and Suttle really didn't seem interested in luring companies to the city in a proactive way. He seemed to like a hierarchy form of officiating a city which tends to run like a sloth, too big, slow, too beaurocratic to be affective. What we need, and had, are departments that are not only forward in thinking, but are efficient and fast. We lost out on jobs because of his behemoth mentality (I'm not talking about too much government, just not effective government).

Our city was very fast and effective with the previous mayors. This is why I was so disappointed with suttle. I tried hard to like him.
Interesting post. I hadn't heard about him costing us jobs by being ineffective. Can you go into more detail about this?

Also, Billiefan, any comments about Stothert's actions I posted about a couple days ago.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Omaha Nebraska and dreamland when I am sleeping
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Interesting post. I hadn't heard about him costing us jobs by being ineffective. Can you go into more detail about this?

Also, Billiefan, any comments about Stothert's actions I posted about a couple days ago.

I agree that Stothert is going to be a much more moderate as a mayor than she was on the city council.

On the city council, she could get away with pandering. Not so much as a mayor.


I admit she has made mistakes and I applaud that she got a earful from North Omaha folks. North Omaha is often neglected or shunned by city leaders (that includes some who claim to represent North Omaha


(coughs, Tanya Cook and Ben Gray who need to be more involved in North Omaha




I also think Festersen (side note) needs to drop the vanity act and start being more a city leader than someone with a ego problem.



as for McDonnell and LeClair, they need to quit the bully tactics.

Yes, the whole OFD contract thing has been a mess for years and yes Stothert and others have made some blunders at handling it, but McDonnell and Le Clair 's mean-spirited attitude

and bully like attitude towards those who dont agree with them 100 percent on things hasnt made them look any better than Stothert.


and not just McDonnell and LeClair, we have folks on both sides politically who need to drop the bully attitude and moderate and be more humble when in public.

Humility is something lost by folks on both sides in Omaha.
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