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Old 09-12-2014, 01:20 PM
 
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The vast majority of clothing stores for one.
In time I think that will change. Streetcars and transit in general are a chicken vs egg argument. Howerer, it is undeniable the affect that fixed transit has on shopping and services once it is built.

I'm personally in the boat that any rapid transit should stay within the I-680 loop at least for the forseeable future. like harshbarj said, it all has to do with density. Outskirts would be better served by regular buses and demand and use will determine what areas get it and what don't. We're just not ready to provide service to those areas. Improve public transportation in the areas that use it the most first and the rest will follow if it is warranted.
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Omaha/Lincoln, NE
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I'd be thrilled to have BRT out to Westroads. I live nearby and would take the bus more with faster connections into the eastern part of the city. In good traffic a regular bus doesn't offer enough incentives to not drive, but if quick service is there it would be great to not deal with parking
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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Realistically we're looking at a travel time from Westroads to downtown of 30 minutes vs 40 minutes that Route 2 currently takes.

Right now it appears there won't be any dedicated lanes west of Midtown, but there will be traffic light preference (the bus will always have the green light). The BRT will save time vs regular bus by traffic light preference, fewer stops, and shorter boarding times (by way of using pre-boarding payment). Car travel will still beat out BRT for the time being.

I could see in the future having dedicated lanes on dodge from 44th to 96th. Something like a bus-specific lane eastbound in the morning with two lanes of car traffic in each direction, then a westbound bus-specific lane in the afternoon. That would only take one lane out per rush period.
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Midtown Omaha
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Pretty cool that US Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx will be in Omaha on Monday to announce funding for the BRT.
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Old 09-13-2014, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The vast majority of clothing stores for one.
Well, considering this route serves the hopefully soon to be redeveloped Crossroads, along with Westroads, that's not too much of an issue now.
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Old 09-13-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Middleburg
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people in general don't need to go past 72nd street. What's out there that's not available in greater quantities and qualities east of 72nd?
Clothing stores, all the malls, Whole Foods, Trader Joes, Sporting Good stores, Costco, NFM, Goodwill stores. Basically everything people want.

There are fundamental reasons why stores that know what they're doing locate west of 72nd. Unless you change the fundamentals of Omaha, they will continue to be there. A single line of public transportation won't change those fundamentals.
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Old 09-13-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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A single line of public transportation won't change those fundamentals.
You have to start somewhere though, right?
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Middleburg
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Omaha is like a kid's playground where there is a very stinky girl. Nobody wants to be around the stinky girl, and her parents and teachers are afraid to tell her to wash herself. So the kids on the playground spread out and avoid her. The teachers want her to integrate with her peers who are spreading out away from her, so they give the stinky girl a bicycle. But the other kids still avoid her. They spread out even further, and they start to complain the smell is getting all over the playground. Rather than improving her mobility, it would be far more useful for somebody to tell the stinky girl to wash herself.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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Clothing stores, all the malls, Whole Foods, Trader Joes, Sporting Good stores, Costco, NFM, Goodwill stores. Basically everything people want.

There are fundamental reasons why stores that know what they're doing locate west of 72nd. Unless you change the fundamentals of Omaha, they will continue to be there. A single line of public transportation won't change those fundamentals.
Yes, if you pick everything that's west of 72nd then everything is west of 72nd. I very rarely travel much past 40th and have no problems with my day to day shopping. There are alternatives for everything you listed there east of 72nd.
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Old 09-15-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Yes, if you pick everything that's west of 72nd then everything is west of 72nd. I very rarely travel much past 40th and have no problems with my day to day shopping. There are alternatives for everything you listed there east of 72nd.
I agree with you here, though I would just like to point out that the days of 72nd Street being the urban/suburban divider are basically over, especially along the main corridors. 72nd Street, for instance, is still pretty urban out to about 90th Street.
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