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Old 02-20-2007, 03:34 PM
 
Location: west Omaha
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(yeah, no tax levying involved there) And thank goodness for that... or we'd likely have a ring of corrugated metal sheds surrounding us.
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:07 AM
 
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Still Omaha is a sprawling city that is engaged in bullying smaller towns or places into submission. Any place trying to develop it's own identity or expand will be take over at Omaha's whim. Again not a great way to do business & only spawls the city more with land waste policies. The Quest center would be better served being torn down & replaced with a mixed business/ residential area. All studies of any so called sports/convention centers have been proven to be nothing other than good at losing money & costing taxpayers. Again why should be people be punished for traveling into Omaha for shopping or work? The money they spend there gets taxed upon that go into the city coffers that should be able to maintain the roads along with what people get taxed on by the state & what the State gets from the Federal Govt. Again less roads & developing a mass transportation system would be alot better then the waste of roads sprawling Omaha in every direction. Also demolishing older places would help revitilize older areas in Omaha too. Spreading West means you forgot everything East & have no plans to renew.
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:47 AM
 
Location: west Omaha
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You're going all over the place here East.

You seem to suggest you're a mass transit/anti-sprawl advocate... yet, you'd apparently rather these bedroom communities of white flight, continue to consume farmland into the sunset... flourishing, financially independent of the core city which serves their very existence. It's not as IF... Omaha is annexing farmland... and encouraging it's development. It is re-capturing tax revenue... as it should. If anything, it is helping quell outward sprawl... by taking a portion of this revenue, and investing it in revitalizing the core... the success can be seen in the huge development boom which is going on there (and not just downtown... but Midtown, Aksarben... and now even west of the Crossroads area).

Unable to develop/retain an area's identity? Let's see... have you ever heard of Florence? Dundee? South Omaha? Millard? Yeah, I guess they've lost their identies...huh? No doubt Elkhorn will suffer the same fate?

And you obviously know very little about the Qwest Center, which since it's opening is ranked in Pollstar's top 20 best attendance concert venues in the WORLD (check below to see what's coming in the next few months ALONE!)... it has brought a tremendous amount of new business to the Old Market and downtown in general.

Do us a favor... come back when you have some credibility on this subject please.


Qwest Center... coming attractions:
Sun 02/18/07 John Mayer
Sun 02/18/07 Mat Kearney
Fri 02/23/07 Christina Aguilera
Fri 02/23/07 Danity Kane
Fri 02/23/07 The *****cat Dolls
Wed 02/28/07 Breaking Benjamin
Wed 02/28/07 Nickelback
Wed 02/28/07 Three Days Grace
Tue 03/06/07 Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band
Tue 03/06/07 Steve Azar
Thu 03/08/07 Justin Timberlake
Thu 03/08/07 Pink
Thu 03/08/07 Timbaland
Sat 03/31/07 Eric Clapton
Sat 03/31/07 The Robert Cray Band
Tue 04/03/07 Rod Stewart
Sat 04/28/07 Billy Joel
Sat 05/19/07 Montgomery Gentry
Mon 06/04/07 Akon
Mon 06/04/07 Gwen Stefani
Mon 06/04/07 Lady Sovereign
Sat 07/28/07 Keith Urban
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Old 02-23-2007, 11:57 AM
 
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Nice to see the race card played. The vents listed at the qwest center just shows who's going to be there for a one or two night gig. Still doesn't help payoff the bills that the center will be paying off in the future. Yes Omaha does promote sprawl. by saying that Omaha should recapture lost tax revenue because people move to certian areas further proves the bully attitude. A town that opens a wal-mart or target to help the tax base is now a threat to Omaha. On the radio show "Grow Omaha" is was stated the Omaha was losing millions of dollars since a Wal-mart opened up there & getting a lower tax charge than that of one in Omaha itself. Once the takeover was complete the taxes would be raised & Omaha would get that needed money. Very greedy way to do business.
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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Nice to see the race card played. The vents listed at the qwest center just shows who's going to be there for a one or two night gig. Still doesn't help payoff the bills that the center will be paying off in the future. Yes Omaha does promote sprawl. by saying that Omaha should recapture lost tax revenue because people move to certian areas further proves the bully attitude. A town that opens a wal-mart or target to help the tax base is now a threat to Omaha. On the radio show "Grow Omaha" is was stated the Omaha was losing millions of dollars since a Wal-mart opened up there & getting a lower tax charge than that of one in Omaha itself. Once the takeover was complete the taxes would be raised & Omaha would get that needed money. Very greedy way to do business.
by your logic... Omaha should just sit back and not annex anything, because it's just bullying people around... Omaha could have just 50,000 people and be surrounded by a million people using Omaha's services and not paying for it... you are obviously a flamer...
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Old 02-23-2007, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Downtown Omaha
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Of course concerts at the Qwest go to pay off the debt. That's how it works. Everyone knows that big arenas and convention centers aren't money makers. Fortunatly the Qwest Center has turned a profit since it's openig. Will it stay that way? No, but it's debt is being repayed back faster.

What race card was being played?
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Old 02-23-2007, 02:26 PM
 
Location: west Omaha
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Not to speak of the economic impact all of these event/concert attendees have had on the local economy.

I believe the 'race card' was my reference to white flight. You need only listen to interviews of paranoid Elkhorn residents, who think annexation is going to bring bus loads of inner city crack whores to their doorstep tomorrow, striipping them of their 'small town' values... to realize the phenomena is alive and well (white west Omaha resident speaking here, mind you).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
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Old 02-23-2007, 02:44 PM
 
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Myabe it would be a better thing if Omaha sat back & didn't annex everything under the sun. Annexing every town that mayu be a threat to Omaha stifles any type of competion amongst cities. Since Omaha engages with land waste policies it remains mediocre as an over sized suburb without any type of mass transportation system. Renewing older parts of Omaha is alot better than grabbing land forever & probable would bring many people back to the original city limits than being scattered. At what point does Omaha say we have spread far enough West? Why not just ask the state govt to take over all of Douglas county & be done with it if thats the case? I also do not fall for the line of if the city cant expand its going to decay BS. NYC has rejuvinated itself many times over for the past 300 years & is a much stronger city than Omaha ever could be.
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Old 02-23-2007, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Downtown Omaha
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There have only been 2 major annexations this decade. One happened this week. The other was in 2000. We don't annex that much it's just a big issue right now.

I do think competition between cities is good but not withing a metro. Look at KC which has tons of suburbs between 2 states. Their suburbs were wanting to build arenas and sports buildings at the expense of the city. Why make it harder to compete nationally when you have to worry about it locally. Plus how would a city of 8,000 "compete" with a city of 430,000?
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Old 02-23-2007, 04:27 PM
 
Location: west Omaha
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Myabe it would be a better thing if Omaha sat back & didn't annex everything under the sun. Annexing every town that mayu be a threat to Omaha stifles any type of competion amongst cities. Since Omaha engages with land waste policies it remains mediocre as an over sized suburb without any type of mass transportation system. Renewing older parts of Omaha is alot better than grabbing land forever & probable would bring many people back to the original city limits than being scattered. At what point does Omaha say we have spread far enough West? Why not just ask the state govt to take over all of Douglas county & be done with it if thats the case? I also do not fall for the line of if the city cant expand its going to decay BS. NYC has rejuvinated itself many times over for the past 300 years & is a much stronger city than Omaha ever could be.
What is the point of competition among cities within a single metropolitan area? And please illustrate for us how Omaha is 'engaging in land waste policies'... by annexing -already developed- areas.

Once again (brought up in another thread)... Smart Growth America ( http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org ), a 'sprawl watchdog' organization ranks Omaha in the -top 10' in it's sprawl score (ie NOT being sprawled)... our urbanized area is above average in terms of population density ( http://www.census.gov )... you have absolutely no basis for calling Omaha a big suburb... other than the fact that Omaha has -jurisdiction- over it's suburbs... rather than longingly looking out at them, wishing it could tap them for tax revenue... like many other core cities.

New York City... benefited from becoming the largest city in the nation, establishing itself as the capital of economic commerce, and cultural diversity... long before the suburbanization of America... and is hardly a prime candidate for a comparison of growth with Omaha. Instead... how about Detroit? St Louis? Cleveland? Look at that most successful midwestern cities today... Indianapolis... Columbus... Kansas City... all of these benefit from annexation... while landlocked cities like Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis struggle (compared to their suburbs). Now let's look at Minneapolis... here's an example of a 'landlocked' city which is thriving... why? Minneapolis benefits from a unique tax sharing plan, which looks at each metro towns population, measures it's per capita tax bax and compares it with the regional per capita average. Communities which are doing poorer end up receiving more money back from a general fund which all the cities contribute to. The wealthier communites end up contributing more than they receive (the proposed 'learning community', to deal with the OPS situation was actually very similar... but limited to school district revenue sharing). In the end... it's the same result as Omaha simply annexing these suburbs... minus the overhead of multiple civic governing bodies/services.

You ask why not just have the city of Omaha take over Douglas County? A city-county merger is already in the works... akin to what Louisville, KY has done (many overlapping services have already been merged). So, I guess it'll all be moot eventually.
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