[Katiana]

Originally Posted by Go Ne

Well, in your words, Geez, Lighten up Francis. She was just making a small point.

Thanks, Go Ne. Actually, I was trying to make the point that nurses of all nursing programs are intelligent and knowledgeable. Nurse are not, as many still think, bimbos, or "trained" individuals who can pass out pills but don't know why they're doing it. Legally, a nurse is responsible for his/her actions. S/he is the one who will be sued if the patient has a reaction.

To say, "the nurses surprised me with their knowledge" is what is called a 'back-handed compliment'.

I've worked with nurses from Creighton, among other places. They're all wonderful people, regardless of where they went to college.

[2Adam29]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Thanks, Go Ne. Actually, I was trying to make the point that nurses of all nursing programs are intelligent and knowledgeable. Nurse are not, as many still think, bimbos, or "trained" individuals who can pass out pills but don't know why they're doing it. Legally, a nurse is responsible for his/her actions. S/he is the one who will be sued if the patient has a reaction.

To say, "the nurses surprised me with their knowledge" is what is called a 'back-handed compliment'.

I've worked with nurses from Creighton, among other places. They're all wonderful people, regardless of where they went to college.

I have a similar reaction when it comes to police officers. People act like cops doing thier jobs right isn't the norm, and it upsets me, but surely some places' RN's have a different mindset than in others and that may make them seem more or less pleasent or educated. Just like cops are more or less reasonable based on the city they patrol.

[CaliBoy]

Originally Posted by Katiana

To say, "...the nurses surprised me with their knowledge" is what is called a 'back-handed compliment'.

Frankly, I am directly insulted, Katiana. Not only have you imposed upon me insecurity about how most of the public allegedly views nurses, you have utterly misquoted and mischaracterized me. In light of what brought us to Omaha in the first place, it was completely insensitive as well.

Allow me to inform you that the nurses and students I have met do not even consider any validity to such issues you speak of nor have they ever led me to believe that this was a concern. They are proud of what they are doing and see no reason to bring such negative stereotyping up.

However, insinuating that I have in some way encouraged such devalued stereotypes is quite slanderous if not a highly negative, knee jerk reaction to something that was never said (all this considering the positive nature of the thread I started). Go back and read my unedited post more thoroughly.

First, note the following: "I was surprised to see so many medical facilities..." This surprise you speak of is in reference to my response to the number of medical centers that exists in Omaha compared to what we have been exposed to in other cities we have visited.

Second, in a completely SEPARATE sentence, I indicated the following: "A lot of RN's were quite knowledgeable and thorough that we witnessed..." This statement in response to the number of RN’s we interacted with that exhibited more knowledge and comprehension than others we witnessed. This sentence was all but a simple, positive and innocent statement turned negative by what you believe is a substantiated common belief among many (a subjective term) people.

No where did I show any disrespect for the profession I seek to enter. No where did I presume or allude the profession was comprised of people who lacked knowledge and intelligence.

Trained. Educated. You are attacking semantics based on your own definition of the words! Surely, we can argue their varying degrees of meaning; each term is applicable to the education of a potential RN where they are trained to become proficient through instruction and practice as it applies to related events or thoughts under common circumstances. At the same time, they educated to apply such training in a variational environment that requires common sense problem solving skills. I can go and on.

However, those who do seek “training” in their any chosen profession might take pause at your comparison to trained seals. Indeed I spoke with several nurses at several locations. Both training and education was used in their vocabulary, among other terminology.

Having been misquoted before, I usually shrug it off. However, certainly not to this degree and especially not from a post that was intended as informational and good natured. Minor nitpicking or not, your out-of-context diatribe was intentionally rude, slanderous and arguably off-topic.

For the record, some nursing programs are indeed better and more comprehensive than others. They do appear different, at the very least. And the many I have researched all have varying appropriations to clinical and academics designed to enrich the student in different ways in a fashion more conducive to their learning abilities. However, the programs I have researched do all share the common goal of preparing the student for licensure and a career in as a nurse. Else without such differences, it would not matter in the least bit where an individual enrolls. I could simply choose the most economical.

Lastly, I would never experience surprise when it comes to educated nurses. On the contrary, I would find it surprising, if not alarming, if I were to come across a nurse who lacks education and knowledge. How could it be surprising otherwise? Now, when it comes to nurses possessing varying degrees of acquired knowledge, that is another topic altogether. All nurses are not created equal.

Maybe truth exists in what you say. Stereotypes do persist sometimes if they existed at all among demographics and/or cultures. I wouldn’t know this as I never possessed such an abhorrent belief system. However, the individuals I regularly interact or have referenced with respect to the nursing profession are those that have never once felt those mentioned inadequacies nor had them imposed upon them. But maybe we’re simply the minority.

I can give a rat’s butt about stereotypes; I’m a guy entering the nursing field for crying out loud. You may be claiming that you were only nitpicking. However in my opinion, the details you ignored made you appear not nitpicky enough! Look a little closer.

So. Cut me a break. Study the details a bit more. And start looking at the brighter side of life, along with my posts!

And by the way, I have come on strong as I was defending my integrity. However, as misguided and misquoted as it was, I appreciate your defense of the nursing profession. I'm sure you have your reasons.

I still like Omaha.

[ScranBarre]

Ouch! Katiana got owned!

[2Adam29]

Originally Posted by CaliBoy

Frankly, I am directly insulted, Katiana. Not only have you imposed upon me insecurity about how most of the public allegedly views nurses, you have utterly misquoted and mischaracterized me. In light of what brought us to Omaha in the first place, it was completely insensitive as well.

Allow me to inform you that the nurses and students I have met do not even consider any validity to such issues you speak of nor have they ever led me to believe that this was a concern. They are proud of what they are doing and see no reason to bring such negative stereotyping up.

However, insinuating that I have in some way encouraged such devalued stereotypes is quite slanderous if not a highly negative, knee jerk reaction to something that was never said (all this considering the positive nature of the thread I started). Go back and read my unedited post more thoroughly.

First, note the following: "I was surprised to see so many medical facilities..." This surprise you speak of is in reference to my response to the number of medical centers that exists in Omaha compared to what we have been exposed to in other cities we have visited.

Second, in a completely SEPARATE sentence, I indicated the following: "A lot of RN's were quite knowledgeable and thorough that we witnessed..." This statement in response to the number of RN’s we interacted with that exhibited more knowledge and comprehension than others we witnessed. This sentence was all but a simple, positive and innocent statement turned negative by what you believe is a substantiated common belief among many (a subjective term) people.

No where did I show any disrespect for the profession I seek to enter. No where did I presume or allude the profession was comprised of people who lacked knowledge and intelligence.

Trained. Educated. You are attacking semantics based on your own definition of the words! Surely, we can argue their varying degrees of meaning; each term is applicable to the education of a potential RN where they are trained to become proficient through instruction and practice as it applies to related events or thoughts under common circumstances. At the same time, they educated to apply such training in a variational environment that requires common sense problem solving skills. I can go and on.

However, those who do seek “training” in their any chosen profession might take pause at your comparison to trained seals. Indeed I spoke with several nurses at several locations. Both training and education was used in their vocabulary, among other terminology.

Having been misquoted before, I usually shrug it off. However, certainly not to this degree and especially not from a post that was intended as informational and good natured. Minor nitpicking or not, your out-of-context diatribe was intentionally rude, slanderous and arguably off-topic.

For the record, some nursing programs are indeed better and more comprehensive than others. They do appear different, at the very least. And the many I have researched all have varying appropriations to clinical and academics designed to enrich the student in different ways in a fashion more conducive to their learning abilities. However, the programs I have researched do all share the common goal of preparing the student for licensure and a career in as a nurse. Else without such differences, it would not matter in the least bit where an individual enrolls. I could simply choose the most economical.

Lastly, I would never experience surprise when it comes to educated nurses. On the contrary, I would find it surprising, if not alarming, if I were to come across a nurse who lacks education and knowledge. How could it be surprising otherwise? Now, when it comes to nurses possessing varying degrees of acquired knowledge, that is another topic altogether. All nurses are not created equal.

Maybe truth exists in what you say. Stereotypes do persist sometimes if they existed at all among demographics and/or cultures. I wouldn’t know this as I never possessed such an abhorrent belief system. However, the individuals I regularly interact or have referenced with respect to the nursing profession are those that have never once felt those mentioned inadequacies nor had them imposed upon them. But maybe we’re simply the minority.

I can give a rat’s butt about stereotypes; I’m a guy entering the nursing field for crying out loud. You may be claiming that you were only nitpicking. However in my opinion, the details you ignored made you appear not nitpicky enough! Look a little closer.

So. Cut me a break. Study the details a bit more. And start looking at the brighter side of life, along with my posts!

And by the way, I have come on strong as I was defending my integrity. However, as misguided and misquoted as it was, I appreciate your defense of the nursing profession. I'm sure you have your reasons.

I still like Omaha.

AHH!!! Katiana got BURNED! lol

[ehenningsen]

Originally Posted by CaliBoy

Frankly, I am directly insulted, Katiana. Not only have you imposed upon me insecurity about how most of the public allegedly views nurses, you have utterly misquoted and mischaracterized me. In light of what brought us to Omaha in the first place, it was completely insensitive as well.

Allow me to inform you that the nurses and students I have met do not even consider any validity to such issues you speak of nor have they ever led me to believe that this was a concern. They are proud of what they are doing and see no reason to bring such negative stereotyping up.

However, insinuating that I have in some way encouraged such devalued stereotypes is quite slanderous if not a highly negative, knee jerk reaction to something that was never said (all this considering the positive nature of the thread I started). Go back and read my unedited post more thoroughly.

First, note the following: "I was surprised to see so many medical facilities..." This surprise you speak of is in reference to my response to the number of medical centers that exists in Omaha compared to what we have been exposed to in other cities we have visited.

Second, in a completely SEPARATE sentence, I indicated the following: "A lot of RN's were quite knowledgeable and thorough that we witnessed..." This statement in response to the number of RN’s we interacted with that exhibited more knowledge and comprehension than others we witnessed. This sentence was all but a simple, positive and innocent statement turned negative by what you believe is a substantiated common belief among many (a subjective term) people.

No where did I show any disrespect for the profession I seek to enter. No where did I presume or allude the profession was comprised of people who lacked knowledge and intelligence.

Trained. Educated. You are attacking semantics based on your own definition of the words! Surely, we can argue their varying degrees of meaning; each term is applicable to the education of a potential RN where they are trained to become proficient through instruction and practice as it applies to related events or thoughts under common circumstances. At the same time, they educated to apply such training in a variational environment that requires common sense problem solving skills. I can go and on.

However, those who do seek “training” in their any chosen profession might take pause at your comparison to trained seals. Indeed I spoke with several nurses at several locations. Both training and education was used in their vocabulary, among other terminology.

Having been misquoted before, I usually shrug it off. However, certainly not to this degree and especially not from a post that was intended as informational and good natured. Minor nitpicking or not, your out-of-context diatribe was intentionally rude, slanderous and arguably off-topic.

For the record, some nursing programs are indeed better and more comprehensive than others. They do appear different, at the very least. And the many I have researched all have varying appropriations to clinical and academics designed to enrich the student in different ways in a fashion more conducive to their learning abilities. However, the programs I have researched do all share the common goal of preparing the student for licensure and a career in as a nurse. Else without such differences, it would not matter in the least bit where an individual enrolls. I could simply choose the most economical.

Lastly, I would never experience surprise when it comes to educated nurses. On the contrary, I would find it surprising, if not alarming, if I were to come across a nurse who lacks education and knowledge. How could it be surprising otherwise? Now, when it comes to nurses possessing varying degrees of acquired knowledge, that is another topic altogether. All nurses are not created equal.

Maybe truth exists in what you say. Stereotypes do persist sometimes if they existed at all among demographics and/or cultures. I wouldn’t know this as I never possessed such an abhorrent belief system. However, the individuals I regularly interact or have referenced with respect to the nursing profession are those that have never once felt those mentioned inadequacies nor had them imposed upon them. But maybe we’re simply the minority.

I can give a rat’s butt about stereotypes; I’m a guy entering the nursing field for crying out loud. You may be claiming that you were only nitpicking. However in my opinion, the details you ignored made you appear not nitpicky enough! Look a little closer.

So. Cut me a break. Study the details a bit more. And start looking at the brighter side of life, along with my posts!

And by the way, I have come on strong as I was defending my integrity. However, as misguided and misquoted as it was, I appreciate your defense of the nursing profession. I'm sure you have your reasons.

I still like Omaha.

Probably a lot of Katiana's response has to do with some random person coming on board and back-handedly giving Omaha and Nebraska a compliment..

With that said, I did not see where you made any type of insult or any type of back-handed compliment..

As a matter of fact, you took some experiences and some facts that are in place here and made a very complimentary thread on our city. And caliboy, I know that 99%+ of us here did not see what Katiana saw, and with that said, I bet Katiana comes around and notices what you meant and that you had no back-handed statement there..

We all know that nurses work very hard and they usually end up having to do twice the workload they were trained to do in school because of the shortage in the workforce. As well as the fact that nurses end up doing much of the doctor's work as well..

My mother is a nurse, and from my experience growing up with her having that profession isn't one of a bimbo, but one that has to work above and beyond most medical related professions...

Katiana will come around and see what you meant be your statement, resonable people always do come around, and we all misinterpret statements sometimes.. Come on Katiana, let's take another look at his statement and own up

[Victor 13]

Originally Posted by CaliBoy

I still like Omaha.

OUTSTANDING!

Great response,by the way.

[Victor 13]

"Great response by the way". I meant to say Great responses everyone. I see the forum only gives a member a short time to EDIT if a mistake is made. Must be a owner-admin feature?

[Katiana]

OK, I had one response planned this morning, but while I was working all day, I see I got what many people consider a thorough and well-deserved (in many people's opinion) drubbing. So I am revising my comments somewhat:

The original post from CaliBoy:

Originally Posted by CaliBoy

We traveled by car to Omaha from Durham due to a family emergency we needed to tend to. However, we left Omaha with obvious impressions, though limited, I thought I would quickly share:

4. I was surprised to see so many medical facilities. It was impressive. We've been looking into RN programs here in NC... now, we're seriously considering the programs at various medical facilities in Omaha. A lot of RN's were quite knowledgeable and thorough that we witnessed... they were all trained somewhere in Omaha. Besides, that would put us closer in with family, too.

Seems like some of the rest of you should find this insulting as well. "Surprised" to see so many medical facilites? Why would it be surprising that the largest city in Nebraska, with a population of over 400,000 people, would have some good medical facilities?

"A lot" of the RNs were quite knowledgable and thorough? Again, that is what I took exception to, and I still find it insulting. Why is that such a big surprise? Many people have only a vague idea of what nurses do, until they come in contact with some, often in the case of a family illness. Then, they are suddenly surprised that the nurses actually know their business. I am not surprised when anyone, from a waiter in a restaurant, to a nuclear physicist, knows their stuff.

. . . they were all "trained" in Omaha. Again, one of my objections. "Training" was a term from my mother's day in nursing school back in the 1940s. It was more of a training program at the time, but as nursing responsibilities have expanded, so has the educational program. I went to nursing school in the 1970s, and our instructors continually emphasized that we were being educated, not "trained".

Originally Posted by ehenningsen

Probably a lot of Katiana's response has to do with some random person coming on board and back-handedly giving Omaha and Nebraska a compliment..

With that said, I did not see where you made any type of insult or any type of back-handed compliment..

As a matter of fact, you took some experiences and some facts that are in place here and made a very complimentary thread on our city. And caliboy, I know that 99%+ of us here did not see what Katiana saw, and with that said, I bet Katiana comes around and notices what you meant and that you had no back-handed statement there..

We all know that nurses work very hard and they usually end up having to do twice the workload they were trained to do in school because of the shortage in the workforce. As well as the fact that nurses end up doing much of the doctor's work as well..

My mother is a nurse, and from my experience growing up with her having that profession isn't one of a bimbo, but one that has to work above and beyond most medical related professions...

Katiana will come around and see what you meant be your statement, resonable people always do come around, and we all misinterpret statements sometimes.. Come on Katiana, let's take another look at his statement and own up

First of all, ehenningsen, although we have disagreed on some things, I have never to my recollection, said anything bad about Omaha.

If your mom is a nurse, you have probably heard her say many times that the nurses are really running the show, and you have probably heard her express frustration that everyone praises the doctor when things go well, and blames the nurses when they don't. "That nurse woke me up at midnight to take a pill", not knowing it was the doctor who ordered the pill to be given at midnight, etc.

Allow me to inform you that the nurses and students I have met do not even consider any validity to such issues you speak of nor have they ever led me to believe that this was a concern. They are proud of what they are doing and see no reason to bring such negative stereotyping up.

However, insinuating that I have in some way encouraged such devalued stereotypes is quite slanderous if not a highly negative, knee jerk reaction to something that was never said (all this considering the positive nature of the thread I started). Go back and read my unedited post more thoroughly.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. I did not say that you thought nurses were bimbos. You did talk about nurses being trained. It is not an issue of semantics, as I explained above.

If the nurses you have met do not consider this a concern, they are naive indeed. Practically every nurse out of school (not training) more than a few years is aware of the general public's attitude towards nurses. I have had patients insult me to my face, saying things like, "I didn't expect the nurses to know much"; "I want to talk to the doctor about this, not just a nurse", etc. In point of fact, in many issues, the nurses are more knowlegable than the doctors.

I didn't say anything about not liking Omaha, I implied that CaliBoy had a condescending attitude towards nurses, not Omaha.

I stand by what I said.

[tpabes]

Katiana,
I have read alot of your posts on this forum and I enjoy the things you have to say and generally agree with you. However, I think I have to disagree with you on this one. IMO this is one of those deals where computer conversation isn't the best. You can't tell voice tone or facial expressions when your typing. You called it a "back handed compliment," when the rest of us read it as just a compliment. I personally think Caliboy was trying to be complimentary and I don't think he meant to insult the nursing profession, especially since he is looking to become one himself. Maybe he could have used better wording, but again I don't see the intention of harm in his orginal post. Just my personal observation, keep on posting Katiana you're a valuable member on CD and thanks for the compliments Caliboy.