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Old 10-21-2008, 10:03 PM
 
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Funny...but I had dinner with a nice couple tonight that lived in Canada for years. She needed to have an MRI done on her knee...and it took months to schedule it.

So much for that great socialized health care.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:32 PM
 
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Funny...but I had dinner with a nice couple tonight that lived in Canada for years. She needed to have an MRI done on her knee...and it took months to schedule it.

So much for that great socialized health care.

My cousin was diagnosed with hotchkins and did not have an employer health plan and could not afford individual insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

Bankrupt.

So much for that great private healthcare system.

I'd rather wait a month for an MRI on a knee scan.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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Kdbrich, you are leaving out or ignoring the fact that people who receive nationalized healthcare always have the option to purchase better healthcare if they wish (just like here). If your friend had really needed faster service she could have paid for it. Capitalism is alive and well in Canada.

I have often had to wait over a month to get testing done or to get an appointment, and that is with paying $625 a month for employer-sponsored healthcare. I think that I would rather wait AND not have that particluar bill.

One of the most powerful things removing the profit insentive from health care provision is it also removes the stigma against pre-existing conditions. American health insurance is a serious scam.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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So you're ok with giving the poor lousy, substandard service, while the rich can pay and get better service?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:03 AM
 
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So you're ok with giving the poor lousy, substandard service, while the rich can pay and get better service?
Don't you get it ? That is what happens in our system. If you don't have health insurance, you go to the crowded understaffed emergency room !!

If you do, then you go to specialists !!
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Downtown Omaha
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So you're ok with giving the poor lousy, substandard service, while the rich can pay and get better service?
So you're trying to help the poor now? What, are you some kind of socialist now?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:16 AM
 
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Have I ever said the poor DIDN'T deserve to be helped?

I just distrust the government's ability to do that. They don't do a whole lot very efficiently...I don't trust them to manage healthcare.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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But kdbrich..

Helping the poor isn't helping them at all, we need to teach them to fend for themselves, even if it means healthcare... That is what you call capitalism..
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:32 AM
 
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To a point--yeah. It's the old "teach a man to fish" thing.

There are people that legitimately need help. I don't think the government can help everyone though.

And, of course, there's the fine line between people legitimately needing help and those that just want to scam the system.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Omaha
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To a point--yeah. It's the old "teach a man to fish" thing.

There are people that legitimately need help. I don't think the government can help everyone though.

And, of course, there's the fine line between people legitimately needing help and those that just want to scam the system.
got it, but I'd rather throw out a dozen life preservers and save some people who are drowning, even if we end up helping a few people who can swim on their own, rather than let those who need help go without it.
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