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View Poll Results: Who will you be voting for in this Election?
Obama (Turn Nebraska Purple) 31 59.62%
McCain (A Red Nebraska is a good Nebraska) 19 36.54%
Undecided 0 0%
Other (3rd Party, write in) 1 1.92%
not voting 1 1.92%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-03-2008, 04:25 PM
 
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Why was the Federal Defense of Marriage Act even mentioned in this thread? What does that have to do with this election when both Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama have clearly made it known that they OPPOSE same-sex marriage. Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama also have BOTH made it clear that this should be a decision left up to individual states to decide. That's the system that's currently been in place, and it's working rather well. If I, an openly-gay male, seek to wed my partner, I can relocate from Scranton to Hartford. If a neo-con in Hartford is getting uncomfortable with the idea of my partner and I joining near him, then he can move to Scranton. Problem solved!

Why is this such a big deal for you neo-cons, anyways? With an impending recession, a turbulent NYSE and Nasdaq, a quagmire in Iraq, the housing crisis, etc. are you people honestly stupid enough to elevate "Adam and Steve" ABOVE those other issues? Pretty sad comment on the intellect of our nation I suppose if that's the most important issue to some of you.


While both McCain and Obama may agree that it should not be a federal ban, McCain's running mate doesn't.....which is very frightening.

This is what the Republican party does though, they convince people that gay marriage and abortion are the two biggest issues in their lives and then people, who have no economic interest in voting Republican, do vote Republican.

It has been an organized and well planned strategy since the early 90's. A good book on it is called, "What's the Matter with Kansas"
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:41 AM
 
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4000 babies a day.

I don't know how anyone can shrug that off and say it's not important.

I'm sorry that you may not feel marriage is that big of a deal that it should be protected, but last I checked, people were getting divorced at an alarming rate (including those that call themselves Christian). It's only going to hurt our society if marriage isn't encouraged and strengthened.

I don't know that I'd suggest that a national amendment be passed, but I do believe that the states should be able protect their definition of marriage. Nebraska should not have to recognize a "marriage" from another state. If that requires a constitutional amendment, so be it.


Having said that, you talk about strategies. The DNC's strategy for the last 40 years or more has been entitlements. Obama has made it this far because he's promised to give out "tax cuts" to people that don't pay taxes anyway.

Not to mention the sacred cow of abortion. He wouldn't dare touch that. in fact, if it was up to him, he'd make it easier to get an abortion.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:02 AM
 
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I'm sorry that you may not feel marriage is that big of a deal that it should be protected, but last I checked, people were getting divorced at an alarming rate (including those that call themselves Christian). It's only going to hurt our society if marriage isn't encouraged and strengthened.


Your intolerance would have allowed you to excel in the Taliban.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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As would your's. Lets be fair here. You're easily as intolerant as I am. To have a religious conviction or a desire to protect the innocent immediately gets one labeled as a religious nut.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:28 AM
 
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As would your's. Lets be fair here. You're easily as intolerant as I am. To have a religious conviction or a desire to protect the innocent immediately gets one labeled as a religious nut.

Yes.

You are a religous nut if the rest of your social views are against helping the underpriveliged.

So, you want all these fetuses born to mostly poor mothers and then what?

You have stated that you are against social programs for the poor that Obama is for.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:25 AM
 
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It has been an organized and well planned strategy since the early 90's. A good book on it is called, "What's the Matter with Kansas"
Thomas Frank just came out with a new book called "The Wrecking Crew." It is a must read IMO. They messed up the back cover, though. I think Frank has good abilities fusing the historical, intellectual, and politics together. He is an intellectual luminary of our time, and is only getting better. I read books that have both right slants and left slants. I remain an Independent.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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Thomas Frank just came out with a new book called "The Wrecking Crew." It is a must read IMO. They messed up the back cover, though. I think Frank has good abilities fusing the historical, intellectual, and politics together. He is an intellectual luminary of our time, and is only getting better. I read books that have both right slants and left slants. I remain an Independent.

I had just hear from a friend last week that "The Wrecking Crew" is a great book. Thank you for reminding me.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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Yes.

You are a religous nut if the rest of your social views are against helping the underpriveliged.

So, you want all these fetuses born to mostly poor mothers and then what?

You have stated that you are against social programs for the poor that Obama is for.
The "underpriviledged"? I guess it's a question of if you consider the kid to be a child or not. By your definition I guess I'd call you a religious nut.

The catch-phrase among democrats is that we should have safe, and rare abortions. If there is nothing wrong with them, why should they be rare? What about all the 2 year old kids that have poor moms? Should we kill them, too? Obviously, according to your logic the quality of life isn't there....so let's just kill the kid....right?

I'm not against social programs. Sometimes they're needed. Sometimes they're not the best choice.

Instead of killing babies because mom's poor, why not tell mom to not do the things that got her that way in the first place, and if she does get pregnant help her?
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:20 AM
 
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I think you drink to much O'Reilly and Limbaugh also Fox News Kool Aid.Not much choice but with Iraq and a VP who is inept about federal gov't,what other choice.Can anyone look in the mirror and honestly say I raq is worth it.Bush-Cheney thought they had some easy oil!!
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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I work during the day and don't get to listen to Limbaugh. Having said that, he's more republican than conservative...I don't much enjoy listening to him pander to the republican party.

O'Reilly isn't bad--he has taken Bush to task quite a bit, actually.

You say your main point is that you don't like what's happening in Iraq. Ok. 4000 babies die per day from abortion. 223 or something like that Americans have died in Iraq this year. No comparison.

In fact, there are more Americans dying in Chicago this year than Iraq. Can you name the senator from the Chicago area? Lot of good he's done, huh?
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